Another esteemed member "HONORED" on ebay?

[Doug Chaussee]

After reading Tart's rant about Studio vs. Website I wondered how members feel about their work being sold on the secondary market like ebay? I have seen many of our regular contributors goods for sale there, some being sold by the artist but most sold by galleries or private owners. I have never had anything I made garner the honor of being worthy of secondary market attention so I don't know first hand how I would react to something I made going on the international rummage sale of ebay. I just found one of Wes Hunting's nice pieces there http://cgi.ebay.com/WES-HUNTING-ORIGINAL-SIGNED-MUSEUM-QUALITY-VASE_W0QQitemZ290043548236QQihZ019QQcategoryZ78047 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
which prompted this posting. If an artist has deals with galleries around the country does the secondary market cause problems for them?

[Wes Hunting]

I don't feel the secondary market has much of an effect on galleries at all. If anything, it helps them out. There are collectors out there who go hunting (no pun intended) for older pieces of specific artists work. Galleries can use the secondary market for filling these needs.

I have purchased several old pieces of mine off ebay in the past few years to fill in gaps in my own personal collection of my work. This complete retrospective that Lisa is working on will go to my son Wesley upon my death. Lisa's greatest find was a vessel I made in Penland in '79, she got it for $20.00.

If you want to watch the secondary market more closley go to:
www.glassart-exchange.com/Classifieds/Xintro.asp

This is a subsidary business that Habatat Galleries has started, dealing with "used" glass art.

All in all, I personally feel the "contemporary art glass" movement has not been around long enough to develop any kind of rational secondary market.

I once saw a painter at an art fair years ago, that had a T shirt on that said "My art will triple in value when I die and I'm not feeling very well right now." So, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[Pete VanderLaan]

I have found my work on E Bay occasionally and it usually pulls a pretty good price. I can't control it anyway. I do find the descriptions pretty amusing at times.

[Roger Gandelman]

It's me....I think it is safe for me to come out again. I'll keep an eye out for snipers.
I see my work on ebay alot, because of the price point.
There are alot of collectors there looking for bargains. Lotton and Lumbergs work sells for almost full value.
There are a number of my galleries who put up alot of work with a Buy it Now at full retail and start it at that price. Light Opera always has stuff there.
When I am at retail shows a lot of times someone will say they have been watching my stuff on Ebay and they are happy to meet me...they buy something.......Bad publicity is good publicity they say.
I don't know but it seems to be pretty harmless. I know some people don't like it.

[Pete VanderLaan]

Well, it depends on where it gets listed. If it's under "Septic System Additives", you know you've just been insulted. If it's under "Chihuly Knockoffs", you just have to scratch your head.

[Roger Gandelman]

I just checked ebay. There are 4 of my pieces for sale now. 3 are being sold at full retail...the last one is about 25 years old and I don't know what I was thinking when I made it, but it's horrible.
#item 290045112625
......I guess bad publicity does suck sometimes.

[Dave Bross]

All right Roger,

Kudos for surviving your first Craftweb whack-a-mole session and coming back for more.

This forum is a bit notorious for being rather, well, "direct" . Some of our best humor and information has rolled out of it all though.

[Pete VanderLaan]

I just played Whack a mole at the Fryberg ME fair.

It's impossible. All those damn young people with adrenaline.

where did Roger get bashed? ( Aside from Cynthia which doesn't count)

[Ray Laubs]

IF you havent seen your work show up on greedbay.... cough cough, err I mean feebay, then it could mean that those who have purchased it initally are so happy with what they got, they choose not to get rid of it. The other side of the coin with your gallerie outlets, perhaps they have chosen not to go that route.


Ray

[Pete VanderLaan]

my real feeling about the artist gallery relationship is that the constant demands for exclusivity are really bullshit and overall guarantee that the artist will remain hungry most of the time. We have never demanded an exclusive in the Santa Fe Gallery but have simply asked our folks to use common sense in putting work to close together in retail environments.

People who try to work the price irritate me and I usually send them off. We take the artists work and double it and then add fifteen percent. If someone wants a discount, we give them one but never over the fifteen percent. we may lose some sales on that but not enough to ever matter.

The internet is the same way. I don't try to compete with the net. I use our great location and walk in traffic to do just fine coupled up with showing excellent work by people speaking with their own voices at reasonable prices. The great advantage in the gallery is that the work is right infront of you and available right now. The net offers a vague promise of satisfaction backed up by digital photographs that rarely look like the real piece. You get what you pay for. .

[Ben Rosenfield]

Just wait for my glass poo to hit eBay. It'll be a feeding frenzy like you've never seen before. I'll be in six-figure territory within four months of my first auction.

People will hang my glass turds from their Christmas trees. The thunk of very thick glass will become a commonplace sound once the fever over my glass-turd windchimes takes hold. Paperweights? No doubt. I also predict that the glass poo will be a big hit among the regifting crowd.

I'll just sit back, relax, make a model for my production mold, and let the cash roll in.

[Steve Stadelman]

Just be sure it's blue Ben. Blue glass dog poop is the future of ART!

[Ben Rosenfield]

Originally posted by Steve Stadelman
Just be sure it's blue Ben. Blue glass dog poop is the future of ART! I dunno. I think the work would be more genuine if I were to render the original, so to speak, on my own. I could also call myself the Anti-Dieter by cementing toys made of actual poo in the glass poo. MoMa, here I come!

[Roger Gandelman]

A few years ago I saw one of my bottles for sale on ebay for $5.
It did not have a stopper in it. I emailed the lady and told her I could get her another stopper and it would probly sell for more money ($6).
She told me her husband gave it to her and she has since divorced him. She said every time she looks at the bottle it makes her sick.
Another satisfied custume.

[Ben Rosenfield]

Originally posted by Roger Gandelman
She said every time she looks at the bottle it makes her sick. I bet it was filled with Desperation: A Stinky Cologne.

[Roger Gandelman]

DAMN THOSE PERFUME BOTTLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rosanna Gusler]

or you could buy......dales pants. http://cgi.ebay.com/Chihuly-Pants-AUTHENTIC-Dale-Chihuly-RARE-COLLECTIBLE_W0QQitemZ130041441960QQihZ003QQcategor yZ78047QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
rosanna

[Doug Chaussee]

This time it's Pete's turn in the barrel! Vintage piece along with some interesting history. Electric GH Pete?????

http://cgi.ebay.com/1972-PETER-VANDERLAAN-Blown-ART-GLASS-VASE-Signed_W0QQitemZ300120727244QQihZ020QQcategoryZ780 47QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Pete VanderLaan]

Jeez... Massachusetts? I think not. And I might note I made that all by myself with no help from anybody.