new fuel for glass

[Franklin Sankar]

HHO seem to be making some waves. Anyone seen it in action. If it works then it could boost our energy content in our fuel and save a lot. What do you think about running your glory hole on water. Ask yhe man on TV?
Franklin

[Eben Horton]

you need electricity too franklin.

[Sky Campbell]

At this time it is negative energy. It takes more energy to crack the molecule then the energy you get when you reunite it. If you happen to have a huge stash of aluminum it is possible to produce hydrogen with it but there is no free lunch.

[Franklin Sankar]

Oh sh... I forgot the electricity was not free. Wait how about a solar ...Argggg .forget it.
Thanks
Franklin

[Garner Britt]

What about using the heat of the furnace or glory hole to produce the electricity the way the solar thermal plants do...???

I think HHO is pretty interesting.

Anyone have any GOOD links to info? It seems to be mostly people trying to sell kits for your vehicle...

[Mike Aurelius]

Oh god. Not again.....

Garner, look up "Brown's Gas" on google. Lots of information about it.

But basically it boils down to: There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

[Franklin Sankar]

Use heat only if it is excess that you can spare. How , I dont know ask Hugh.
Franklin

[Ben David]

Oh sh... I forgot the electricity was not free. Wait how about a solar ...Argggg .forget it.

Well, no - don't forget it. Not just yet.

Both solar and wind powered electricity generation are well developed, with pre-packaged and DIY options at the individual homeowner level. Renewable energy = free lunch in the long run.

Israeli researchers recently patented a system that used current gleaned from a car's alternator and exhaust heat to generate HHO and inject it into the engine cylinders. It burned less fuel, and burned it more completely and cleanly, which increased mileage while reducing pollution.

So it seems it is possible to generate enough electricity from renewable or waste energy to produce useful amounts of HHO.

[Michael Stoddard]

If you're harnessing solar or wind electric to generate HHO locally you might get some free energy, but probably not as much as if you used that to simply run an electric furnace.

What I like for other/future applications is the potential for storing/transporting hydrogen/HHO from locations where electricity can be produced cleanly and cheaply. Since electricity doesn't travel far or store well, if that energy was converted into hydrogen/HHO and stored in tanks, and moved by trucks or rail. I see hyrdrogen plants being established by wind and solar farms, and where geo-thermal energy is available.

[Steve Stadelman]

[QUOTE=Michael Stoddard;73868]I Since electricity doesn't travel far [/QUOte

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie

What about this?

[Ben David]

If you're harnessing solar or wind electric to generate HHO locally you might get some free energy, but probably not as much as if you used that to simply run an electric furnace.

Solar panels and homestead-size wind rotors generate relatively low currents and voltages. People living off-the-grid aggregate the small, steady inputs using batteries, and use ultra-low-consumption electrical appliances.

Electric furnaces have high, sustained power requirements not easily supplied by residential-sized solar/wind installations.

Examining the electrical characteristics of HHO welding setups would give the best idea of how much juice is needed to generate a stream of gas useful to glassworkers.

It may be necessary to store electricity and/or generated gas to make this work using renewable energy.

[Michael Stoddard]

I never meant to suggest a home wind or solar set up would run an electric furnace, but I thought it could subsidize it more efficiently than trying to generate enough HHO to run one. Now that I'm rethinking my comments I realize if someone was running a furnace part time they could store HHO during their down time if it was being produced by their wind and solar harnessing equipment. I guess watching a few shows on the Discovery Channel doesn't make me an electrical expert. Sorry for posting uninformed.

[Franklin Sankar]

Some time ago I met a sales person from Israel who was selling solar panesl from Israel. Ideal for me who have sun but our electricity is relatively cheap for now. Unfortunately my Govt. is thinking about something so ...increases is sure to come soon.

The article suggests that we dont need to store the Hydrogen it is stored in the water so we just unlock it and use when required. But ...yes but can we generate enough to reduce the fuel consumption in a cost effective manner.
In the meantime I am experimenting with Goat heads.
Franklin