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Nate Steinbrink 02-12-2020 04:59 PM

Coatings for outdoor glass install
 
Doing some globes for an outdoor glass installation. Does anyone know of coatings that work to make the glass safer in the event of breakage.

Marty Kremer 02-12-2020 08:15 PM

HIS had something but I don't see it on the website.

Monte Becker 02-13-2020 07:07 AM

Magnify this...
 
See:

http://talk.craftweb.com/showthread.php?t=12115

Among other pieces of advice...

"Early on, pieces would occasionally get away from me. They'd be a couple of feet long with a thing stem and a thicker bulb. "Ahhh - yeah, that was intentional..." I'd say. "Good as a garden ornament..."

Friends indulged me and took these pieces for their garden. Then, got the call that the fire department arrived. Dry mulch, hot sun and the magic of magnification... "

Shawn Everette 02-13-2020 10:06 AM

HIS did have a coating, I've contacted a couple people I know used it. You could shoot through it, it'd have holes, but still be in "one piece".

Shawn Everette 02-13-2020 11:04 AM

Looks like it WAS flex-tec, but people had too many issues to keep it going. You can potentially still get the materials, working on a source.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/vi...his-glassworks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hP49uS6tIg

Larry Cazes 02-13-2020 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monte Becker (Post 146774)
See:

http://talk.craftweb.com/showthread.php?t=12115

Among other pieces of advice...

"Early on, pieces would occasionally get away from me. They'd be a couple of feet long with a thing stem and a thicker bulb. "Ahhh - yeah, that was intentional..." I'd say. "Good as a garden ornament..."

Friends indulged me and took these pieces for their garden. Then, got the call that the fire department arrived. Dry mulch, hot sun and the magic of magnification... "

Once had one of my Boro spheres burn up a pelican case it was sitting on in the sun. The struggle is real.

Gabriel Greenlaw 02-13-2020 03:39 PM

Be extremely careful with the Flex-Tec stuff. It used to recommend that you heat it up to apply it correctly. Heating it up makes it off gas something terrible and a couple of people I know ended up with some serious chemical poisoning and synthetic allergies long term because of the lack of PPE. The company ended up buying fully sealed suits with fresh air pumped into to them to continue using it for the rest of the that project. Could have been a one off issue, but I've stayed away ever since.

I've used clear lacquers poured into pieces with good success. Mostly lighting pieces that tended to be spheres. Made for easy interior coating.

Pete VanderLaan 02-13-2020 05:22 PM

PPE?

Thank you.

Rick Kellner 02-13-2020 05:46 PM

Personal protective equipment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete VanderLaan (Post 146788)
PPE?

Thank you.


Tom Fuhrman 02-14-2020 07:11 PM

Glass companies have been making 10000s maybe millions of "gazing balls for peoples yards for years, probably as long as most of us have been alive. What has this world come to with too damn many lawyers with no pay checks. It used to be that one would last a year or 2 and maybe longer and then it would get broken and required it get replaced. Built-in replacement market kept a lot of factories in business. Smith and sons in S. Ohio made 1000s and they never even annealed them. Dave Bross and I visited them many years ago and they didn't even own an annealer but sold 10,000s of them over a period of 30+ years. $15 would get you a 10"-12" globe.

Pete VanderLaan 02-15-2020 05:37 AM

And they rototill in really easily.

Tom Fuhrman 02-15-2020 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete VanderLaan (Post 146804)
And they rototill in really easily.

The proud and philosophic words of the experienced.

Nate Steinbrink 02-16-2020 02:35 PM

Great info
 
Thank you so much for the valuable info!

Pete VanderLaan 02-16-2020 03:32 PM

No problem . It's a Troy Bilt.

Monte Becker 02-18-2020 06:45 AM

jtglobes no more?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Fuhrman (Post 146801)
Glass companies have been making 10000s maybe millions of "gazing balls for peoples yards for years, probably as long as most of us have been alive. What has this world come to with too damn many lawyers with no pay checks. It used to be that one would last a year or 2 and maybe longer and then it would get broken and required it get replaced. Built-in replacement market kept a lot of factories in business. Smith and sons in S. Ohio made 1000s and they never even annealed them. Dave Bross and I visited them many years ago and they didn't even own an annealer but sold 10,000s of them over a period of 30+ years. $15 would get you a 10"-12" globe.

I found the web site:

http://jtglobes.tripod.com/id4.html

But the email contact information did not work :(. Fair enough - the price list is from 2008...

Tom Fuhrman 02-18-2020 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monte Becker (Post 146857)
I found the web site:

http://jtglobes.tripod.com/id4.html

But the email contact information did not work :(. Fair enough - the price list is from 2008...

That is not surprising, They bought all of their batch from Fenton and the older gentleman that owned it when we were there was having major health problems and I surmise his sons were not interested in keeping the business going after he was no longer involved. And just another glass operation that bit the dust

Pete VanderLaan 02-18-2020 09:58 AM

It's not just glass operations Tom. It's really everywhere. When Henry approached me to do an update on the batching section of Glassnotes IV I could really only say that in a ten year period, virtually all of the suppliers I had mentioned were gone.
Today, I am actually low on certain materials that I use in the shop although I had surmised I brought lifetime supplies from New Mexico. Now? Finding 15T microgrit is evasive. Rose laps were bought up and are unaffordable. No one makes a 500 grit belt for a dynafile in aluminum oxide anymore. No one rebuilds the tool either. Rodell pads don't exist. Nothing has replaced those things either.Chemicals in bulk is actually a major pain. Oxidizers are hard to get shipped and every studio site is now designated as either residential or commercial and it you are residential, you'll get gouged on shipping costs or just outright refused. I actually had a large chemical supply house tell me that there's no such thing as potassium carbonate.

Now I have to shoo acolytes off the lawn again. time for the sedatives again. I can sense the nurse coming with the injection.

Tom Fuhrman 02-19-2020 05:09 PM

Pete, I know it's almost about everything. except, when I was growing up there was no yogurt or energy bars in the grocery, now there is a 60 ft. expanse of each of those. BTW: I don't partake in either.
Is selection really market driven or are we just engulfed with so much advertising that our brains succumb to it all? I'm so glad I got out of my businesses before the markets totally fell apart. I used to sell millions of electrical lighting sockets , now there are none made here in the states and there is no one making lighting that uses them.
One year in the 80s I sold over 250,000 tassels for ceiling fans. Now there are no U.S. manufacturers left.
Things used to be a lot more fun than they are now. When you're finished send your nurse my way, I need my injection.

Pete VanderLaan 02-19-2020 09:27 PM

I'm fortunate in that I am financially secure and can just make things because I feel like it. That's incredibly fortunate.


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