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Old 07-25-2020, 12:38 PM
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Making glass art with lightning - is this possible

After hearing about fulgarites some years ago, and lightening research conducted by the University of Florida using model rockets (other links here and here), I wondered if the following could be done ...

Fill an 80 gallon or so barrel with different colors of fine (grain-of-sand-size) frit. Not just mixed together -- make zones or layers of color. Stick a metal pole in it then attach that to the wire attached to the model rocket. Fire the model rocket into a lightening storm and see if you can get a lightening bolt to make a fulgarite in the colored glass. Obviously, the lightening is going to go where it wants to go, but make it easier to go into the barrel of frit.
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Old 07-26-2020, 05:45 PM
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I believe art is a conscious effort to achieve a goal, in most cases, this would leave a lot to chance, but yea, fun to fire wired rockets into thunderstorms - it might make a great youtube clip
Thats at least 1200 $ of color

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Old 07-27-2020, 02:39 PM
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I’m sure I posted on this in the past. I had an engineer student that I taught to blow glass years ago Pete Goldstein. He had a internship at the lightning research facility here. They allowed him to use the after strike from some testing for Boeing. Paul Troutman founder of North Star borosilicate color glass one of the first borosilicate color companies very kindly supplied us with loads of boro frit in different colors. We packed large pvc pipes with the frit and various raw batch recipes for color. A copper rod was pierced through the center of the pipe through the frit or batch. The after strike was enough to create some beautiful man made fulgurites which I believe to be the first of there kind. I still have some and Paul also has some. Maybe Paul will see this and reply. Very incredible results that wouldn’t have been possible without his help. It can be done but the lightning center has very high tec equipment and rockets that allow them to launch at exactly the precise time in the exact location to give the best chance of collecting the strike. It is still hit or miss even here where we have some of the most active lighting in the country.
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Old 07-27-2020, 05:04 PM
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Yeah, I'm inclined to think that most civi rockets aren't going to be strong enough to haul a heavy enough wire to not disintegrate before it has much effect on what you're trying to ground it to. Probably move enough to jolt/kill you...
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:48 AM
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Yeah, I'm inclined to think that most civi rockets aren't going to be strong enough to haul a heavy enough wire to not disintegrate before it has much effect on what you're trying to ground it to. Probably move enough to jolt/kill you...
The gauge of the wire is not important. You're just trying to direct the discharge. The equipment is sacrificial. When I did my undergrad work at U of I Urbana Champaign I took an extreme weather science class. They have a major weather department at that campus. It was a great class for non majors as you got a general overview of how the weather works, but you got to focus on all the fun stuff. Saw some of the best electrical storms living there.

Fun video of a launch
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:53 AM
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Shampoo Banana was really great with those wide open spaces for storms. Just not the same in the city.
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Old 08-05-2020, 05:05 PM
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Maybe start with quarter shrinking.
http://www.capturedlightning.com/fra...ergallery.html
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Old 08-06-2020, 10:00 AM
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Shampoo Banana was really great with those wide open spaces for storms. Just not the same in the city.
Shampoo Banana??? ... ok, I give up. What in the world is Shampoo Banana?
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Old 08-06-2020, 12:09 PM
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A townie's slang for champaign urbana. Home for 20 years, nice little college town.
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Old 08-06-2020, 12:16 PM
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Shampoo Banana??? ... ok, I give up. What in the world is Shampoo Banana?
It's a jab at the twin cities where my alma mater is located; Champaign-Urbana.

I don't remember anyone calling it "Chambana," but that was a while ago and I was there less than two years.

Shampoo Banana is a new one. Took me a moment.
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Old 08-06-2020, 12:18 PM
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A townie's slang for champaign urbana. Home for 20 years, nice little college town.
I knew you were close by in Indy. What years did you live there?
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Old 08-06-2020, 07:38 PM
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This reminds me of the epidemic of artists years ago who were shooting hot glass with guns and calling it art. Some things might be possible but why would you want to do it?
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Old 08-07-2020, 09:49 AM
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I think if you start with a quarter shrinking set up you could form the wire and control the shape that results.
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Old 08-07-2020, 02:56 PM
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'83-'04. It's changed a bit since I left, especially west campus and downtown Champaign. Urbana, as always, has fallen behind on the times. I'm just happy I can still grab a slice of Papa Del's.

Shampoo Banana was mostly an inside joke among locals poking fun at people that thought it was any kind of real city. Chambana's been common use since the late 90's.

Bounced around the midwest since then, but Madison is still my favorite. How I miss summers on the Terrace.
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Old 08-08-2020, 04:22 PM
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'83-'04. It's changed a bit since I left, especially west campus and downtown Champaign. Urbana, as always, has fallen behind on the times. I'm just happy I can still grab a slice of Papa Del's.

Shampoo Banana was mostly an inside joke among locals poking fun at people that thought it was any kind of real city. Chambana's been common use since the late 90's.

Bounced around the midwest since then, but Madison is still my favorite. How I miss summers on the Terrace.
Small world. I was there from Jan. 1998 to Aug. 1999. We may have crossed paths at some point. I occasionally run into people I went to school with that I don't recognize at first.
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Old 08-08-2020, 10:48 PM
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My mother went to University of Illinois and always said Champaign-Urbana. I think that's how it was referred to on GE College Bowl, too.
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Old 08-08-2020, 11:12 PM
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The name was officially changed to UIUC in 1982. I'm guessing that was before your mother's time, Rich.
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Old 08-09-2020, 08:27 AM
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The name was officially changed to UIUC in 1982. I'm guessing that was before your mother's time, Rich.
She was in the class of '38! How young do think I am?
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Old 08-09-2020, 11:46 AM
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You guys are all missing the obvious here. Find an old DeLorean, kit it out with a flux capacitor, and go back in time to when a known lightning strike hits some clock tower. That's where (when?) you do your experiment. Duh.
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Old 08-09-2020, 06:20 PM
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She was in the class of '38! How young do think I am?
I misspoke, Rich. I meant AFTER her time there. Oops.
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