CraftWEB Hot Glass Talk  

Go Back   CraftWEB Hot Glass Talk > Hot Glass > General Hot Glass Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old 06-05-2017, 11:06 AM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 19,250
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
I find more complexity than that Josh. Think about SP87 and the reason people love that absolute buttery action. Why? Lithium. Lithium at one time was actually mined in a spodumene mine about 75 miles north of Burnsville but I don't think that spar was ever used by SP. Where does the Lithium come from now? Argentina and FMC is the importer and has a heavy control of the product. FMC used to be a heavy influence in Soda Ash but it seems they have divested of many other less attractive products. Where does Potassium Carbonate come from? Largely the Southwest but also South America. Silica is getting more pricey because of the fracking industry and the demand for processed sand. It can come from the Oriskany fields these days or some from Oklahoma and Tennessese- Think Short Mt Silica. So all that crap gets shipped around as well and motor freight does much of it.

So you really would be environmentally conscious if you just had a very simple sodium calcium silica glass. It can be made quite durable and very inexpensively but has the downside of it's basic working characteristics and general lack of sheen.

But where you could really look at this approach would be in the color rods you use. I am continually amazed at how much money goes into the purchase of these thing in even small studios. Look at what they're made with. Lead, fluorine, cadmium selenium, arsenic, chrome . They get ground into powder which is inevitably poorly controlled. They virtually all get shipped around the world to get to you and the manufacturers of them buy their raw materials from faraway places, ship them to their facilities, mix melt and ship them to distributors who in turn, ship them to you and there's a lot of tonnage in that. Gaffer, in New Zealand regularly buys in Korea and the PRC in container loads. I can't say about Kugler except that GLASMA mixes their basic materials and ships them from Sweden.
Bullseye has a heavy presence in Australia with finished product that gets melted yet again.

Then , you get it, heat it in a color box, pick it up and heat it in a gas consuming gloryhole, stick it on a blowpipe and case it in a material that really was created with materials from a very far away place.

My drift here is that carbon footprint is pretty hard to think about and it all goes in to making... pumpkins, which also get shipped by motor carrier to somewhere which sells and ships them yet again to that lucky final stop on the trail.
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 06-06-2017, 08:28 PM
Art Freas Art Freas is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Washington
Posts: 432
Art Freas is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete VanderLaan View Post
***********
I am not under the impression the new plant is more than a plan. Do you factually know different?
I was told that's where they drive out to get it and was offered to go see it a while back. I am assuming Potemkin hasn't struck again.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 06-06-2017, 08:33 PM
Art Freas Art Freas is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Washington
Posts: 432
Art Freas is on a distinguished road
One more comment on the new System 96, as clean as it is it is definitely coming from new furnaces. Night and day from the old System 96. As for the New System 96 vs Premium 2.0, IHMO the 96 is better for production, the working characteristics match the tempo better. I think that I would have to keep the compressor running and cool things down to keep the same rate with the 2.0.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 06-08-2017, 01:43 AM
Greg Vriethoff's Avatar
Greg Vriethoff Greg Vriethoff is offline
Part of the Problem
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 1,850
Greg Vriethoff is on a distinguished road
Should probably just let it go...

The goal is now set at $5,000.

Information keeps changing in the description. It started as a business called "Red Barn Glass." Now it says "Arlington Glass Studios & Gallery." A google search yields no results for either name. There appears to be no glass blowing studios in Arlington, Washington (no listing in white or yellow pages).

There's a real possibility that someone else is posing as this person. The profile pic on gofundme is the same as her fb account. She appears to be silent on social media (definitely not posting about any new business endeavors).

All seems really fishy to me (yes, at this point I should probably just find a hobby).

*Disclaimer* I'm really only ranting about this here. I haven't tried contacting this entity, and I'm not going to try and call them out to gofundme.
__________________
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever." - David St. Hubbins
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 06-08-2017, 07:20 AM
Lawrence Duckworth Lawrence Duckworth is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Gainesville, GA
Posts: 581
Lawrence Duckworth is on a distinguished road
Smile

Relax Gregg! ...the dol's new fiduciary rule begins tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 06-08-2017, 07:22 AM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 19,250
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
Isn't it the case with Go Fund Me stuff that you don't get the cash unless you reach the stated financial goal.?
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 06-08-2017, 07:36 AM
Eben Horton Eben Horton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Wakefield, RI
Posts: 3,931
Eben Horton is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete VanderLaan View Post
Isn't it the case with Go Fund Me stuff that you don't get the cash unless you reach the stated financial goal.?
No, that is kickstarter. I have used both to fund a public art project that I do every year for the past 7 years.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 06-08-2017, 07:55 AM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 19,250
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
So, in this case, the unsuspecting and their money are soon parted?
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 06-08-2017, 08:38 AM
Eben Horton Eben Horton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Wakefield, RI
Posts: 3,931
Eben Horton is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete VanderLaan View Post
So, in this case, the unsuspecting and their money are soon parted?
Correct. Gofundme has a reputation for this and it is so bad I was seriously considering not using it but it has its upsides. Kickstarter can only raise funds for 30 days. Gofundme is infanite.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 06-08-2017, 09:45 AM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 19,250
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
So, if a donation is made, who receives that donation as actual dollars? Does it go directly to the entity asking for the donation or does it go to the Gofundme people and they pass it along? Do they take a commission? What prevents a fake donation from happening? I just don't quite understand the process.
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 06-08-2017, 10:15 AM
Eben Horton Eben Horton is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Wakefield, RI
Posts: 3,931
Eben Horton is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete VanderLaan View Post
So, if a donation is made, who receives that donation as actual dollars? Does it go directly to the entity asking for the donation or does it go to the Gofundme people and they pass it along? Do they take a commission? What prevents a fake donation from happening? I just don't quite understand the process.
Gofundme me takes about an 8% cut for credit card fees and commission. It goes directly to you, but they can yank it out of your bank account if there is a reported problem (fraud specifically)
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 06-09-2017, 03:10 AM
Mike McCain's Avatar
Mike McCain Mike McCain is offline
I am a cog
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maui
Posts: 350
Mike McCain is on a distinguished road
I dream about making a piece easily worth $5,000, that will appreciate long after I'm gone. Fund me the old fashioned way.
__________________
This is your burning hand; it's right here.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 06-22-2017, 01:18 PM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 19,250
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
I see where the campaign is no longer active and quit at $1005.00
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:17 AM.


All published comments within these message boards are the opinions of its contributor and does not represent
the opinion(s) of the owner(s) of this website. Please see the Terms of Use file for more details.

Books to Help Artists Avoid Online Scams: Top 10 Email Scams | Social Media Scams

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CraftWEB.com. Opportunity Network. 2008. All Rights Reserved.