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Old 02-09-2018, 04:07 PM
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Are there any "affordable" setups out there? Under $1000?

I'm paying $50/hr for a cold shop and that ain't gonna fly. Also, don't have $2500 to blow.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:15 PM
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Are there any "affordable" setups out there? Under $1000?

I'm paying $50/hr for a cold shop and that ain't gonna fly. Also, don't have $2500 to blow.
Are you paying another person with their own equipment and tooling to do it for you? If so, that's pretty reasonable. That's really criminal if not. Borrow the money if you have to and spend the $50/hr in the hot shop. Or at least buy your own pads and negotiate down to $30/day or something.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:40 PM
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Max, if you can, you can come here and look at the tooling. It ain't rocket science but it isn't slop either. We'll give you a place to stay.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:41 PM
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Or at least buy your own pads and negotiate down to $30/day or something.
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Old 02-09-2018, 05:10 PM
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Ha! That made me laugh Pete. I do have a grit wheel I need to get up and running. They really put the best finish on glass. No streaks and gouges, just a nice consistent surface.
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Old 02-09-2018, 05:59 PM
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We have to keep our perspective about where we've been and how we got here and looking at what really moves the ball forward and makes the best possible glass. That's my interest. I'm not selling anything of this junk.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:13 AM
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Are you paying another person with their own equipment and tooling to do it for you? If so, that's pretty reasonable. That's really criminal if not. Borrow the money if you have to and spend the $50/hr in the hot shop. Or at least buy your own pads and negotiate down to $30/day or something.
Yep... that's $50/hr equipment only. It's at the shop where I used to work, so half the time they don't even charge me. Still.

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We have to keep our perspective about where we've been and how we got here and looking at what really moves the ball forward and makes the best possible glass. That's my interest. I'm not selling anything of this junk.
**I will definitely take you up on your offer, Pete. I'm planning on taking a class at Corning in July, so I'm thinking I'll visit then. Probably hit Charlie Correll and whomever else I can hit up in the NE**

Funny that the Hot Glass Information Exchange came up in the other thread. I am trying to grab a copy now for the schematics. Want to talk about criminal, the new wheels like you said are terrible and EXPENSIVE. At $800 to build something high quality, seems like there is a big hole in the market. I'll build and sell 'em all day long. And bring something better and more affordable to the people. At least, that's the dream
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Old 02-21-2018, 11:20 AM
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****** Bone ash 21 was remarkable stuff. .


So some one told me (I think it was Mark P but don't hold him to it) that the bone ash 21 we use to use came from a mine in Colorado where buffalo use to go to die and over the years it turned to bone ash. Is there any way this could be true?
For some reason, I'm flashing back to an episode of Tarzan that my brain thinks it saw. Cave, dying elephants, ivory. Probably graham cracker induced hallucinations.
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Old 02-21-2018, 12:11 PM
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Pete - do you happen to know what type of stone was used on the old Denver flat lap machines?
I have an old stone wheel that came off a Somaca machine. It is 30" diam x 3" thick. I converted the machine to a flat steel steel lap wheel years ago, and the old stone sits in my garden as a table. I am pretty sure it is a natural stone, kind of a yellowish color The photo here shows the bottom of the stone. The top of the stone is very slightly tapered. We always referred to these as a smoothing stone. It was used primarily for making beveled glass. It would take a piece of glass with a 220 finish to a satin finish, which would then go to pumice on a cork wheel and cerium on a felt wheel for final polish.
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Old 02-21-2018, 03:26 PM
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That's a real deal Newcastle stone. You can see where it never had a ferule mounted in it. It was meant to sit flat on a large mandrel, Truing them is pretty interesting and not for the faint of heart. That stone would last most shops a lifetime and it's not to be found anywhere. It's about a $2,000 dollar stone for someone who knows what it is. If they don't know, it's a POS in the backyard.

Nice. Get it out of the weather.
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