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Old 07-03-2020, 06:20 PM
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another one passes on

Just saw that we lost another of the old group. RIP Howard Ben Tre, 71 years old.
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Old 07-04-2020, 10:13 AM
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Too young. I always wanted to meet him, but I don't think he got to Seattle much. R.I.P.
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Old 07-04-2020, 11:43 AM
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Howard was a cool cat. One interesting thing about him was he refused to be labeled as a glass artist. He preferred to be called a Sculptor for some reason. Super Glass in Brooklyn used to do his castings.
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Old 07-04-2020, 03:08 PM
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I liked the fact that he just shrugged of checks in the work.
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Old 07-05-2020, 05:57 AM
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Ben Trè Casting Glass

After Super Glass went out of business, Schott cast a lot of Howard's work into molds that he supplied. The casting campaigns lasted about a week each. The glass was a low thermal expansion, non-borosilicate glass, S-8020 that Schott had originally developed as a photomask glass used to produce microchips. It was a clear glass that was doped to produce the green hue that Howard preferred. The work was performed on a best-effort basis, meaning Howard assumed all the risk. Luckily for him, there were no failures.
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Old 07-05-2020, 10:38 AM
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I liked the fact that he just shrugged of checks in the work.
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:27 AM
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Ok.

I think Howard shrugged it off for the same reason he called himself a sculptor and not a glass artist. For all we know, he may have had a very poor concept of annealing and had to accept an occasional check in his castings. He probably had some excuse for it in his artist statement that identified the check in the glass as metaphor for how none of us are perfect
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Ok.

I think Howard shrugged it off for the same reason he called himself a sculptor and not a glass artist. For all we know, he may have had a very poor concept of annealing and had to accept an occasional check in his castings. He probably had some excuse for it in his artist statement that identified the check in the glass as metaphor for how none of us are perfect
Ive been making solid work in borosilicate for 8 years now and Im often amazed by the absolute perfectionist attitudes of the collectors as well as some of the contemporary makers. Its maddening to see what I consider revolutionary work shrugged off as flawed due to what are minuscule bubbles. I respect his attitude toward the occasional check.
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Old 07-05-2020, 01:11 PM
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As Ginny Ruffner said: "Art can have a crack in it, Craft cannot.
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Ah finally I can make art. Or maybe not. 😭😁😁
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Ah finally I can make art. Or maybe not. 😭😁😁
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:24 PM
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This. I support this. Innovation breaks convention.
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Old 07-06-2020, 07:19 AM
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As Ginny Ruffner said: "Art can have a crack in it, Craft cannot.
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That's great!

The stuff I see from collectors is they're trying to let you know how discerning they are. So, it's BS from the getgo but it's real BS. It was the worst for us when we were laminating Schott with Hxtal. In my forties, my vision started to go and I simply could not see those 9 mu bubbles any more.

If one was to only market the ones that were flawless, they would be unaffordable. Maybe that's the point. I love checks in clear glass, or at least I love looking at them.I don't want them in my own work. Mark is an amazing perfectionist. I have the telescope casting he did in the bedroom for which I gave him a 50 lb bag of lithium . It's flawed, I don't know where.

People who are insecure in the arts spend a lot of time putting down other people doing similar stuff. Dogs sniffing dogs.

On the other hand, people who try to dismiss others for wanting to have high quality materials because they can't achieve that quality are a problem too. Clean glass is really beautiful.
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Hmmm...I think Paul Stankard might raise an eyebrow at that Doglike characterization. His work is what I was referring to.
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I saw his work in Corning. It had a bubble or two
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Getting back to Howard...

My mom was the assistant curator of an art museum for 30 years. She left one of his sculptures in a freight elevator over night and he went ballistic because it wasn’t climate controlled. She told me that after he belittled her for not mowing the dangers of leaving his work in a non climate controlled area, she asked him why he displayed it outdoors. He just walked away. I do like his work though.
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I saw his work in Corning. It had a bubble or two
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I can't say where I heard this, but it seems somewhere I heard that some of his pieces developed cracks years later. Is there any truth to that?
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Old 07-17-2020, 05:33 AM
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Old 07-17-2020, 11:27 AM
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The scale at which Ben worked is not conducive to perfection. It's not like having some paperweights check in the box overnight.

The process we're looking at here is in terms of months and years, not days and weeks. Not going to invest that much energy and resources just to chuck it all and start over.
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:00 AM
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What if someone ask for a warranty on the piece. Not much place to hide on an island 😁 But seriously, things With color could come apart .
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The scale at which Ben worked is not conducive to perfection. It's not like having some paperweights check in the box overnight.

The process we're looking at here is in terms of months and years, not days and weeks. Not going to invest that much energy and resources just to chuck it all and start over.
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Corning did with the Palomar lens. When Howard was a student at Pilchuck, He was Howard Bentry. Lots of people acquired interesting names as prices went up. All these middle names...
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