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Old 01-15-2015, 11:23 AM
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Newspaper for shaping glass

I don't know why I never tried this before, but I just started using unprinted newspaper that one would use for packing and shipping glass (what color bars are packed with)

I can't believe the difference this stuff has over printed newspaper.. I just got 3 weeks of heavy use out of my first non-printed one.
I ordered a ream of newspaper that was as close to the size of a New York Times sheet....
Never going back. No more inky black hands!
Try it!
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:40 AM
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You must have virgin newprint and I'd like to know what the ID stuff is on the box or packaging. I used to be in the print biz. and got a newspaper printer to freebie me a couple end rolls of unprinted newprint.
Unfortunately it had to be recycled content since the pads we made turned to mush in a short time of use and the paper left surface contamination occasionally which had to be from the dirt/whatever in the batch at the paper mill. Re-cycling pulls dirt & dust and who knows what ends up in the paper.

would like to source some of what you have locally. Did it say anything about recycled content etc.?

Have been using felt pads and that comes with it's own limitations, not to mention cost.
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:51 AM
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I got it from my local packaging supply house - National Packing Supply.

It definitely feels like it's not recycled as there are no off colored flecks in it.

The ream dimensions I chose are 24x37 and I use 7 sheets per pad.
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Old 01-15-2015, 12:53 PM
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Sometimes local newspapers give away the butt ends of their printing rolls. Doesn't hurt to ask.
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Old 01-15-2015, 03:19 PM
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True but chances are it's recycled newspaper. I'm seeing a huge difference in how it wears down over time.

Just thought I'd share.
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Old 01-15-2015, 04:04 PM
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You can also buy big sheets of paper from Uline or other companies. They come as big pads of like a thousand sheets. No ink really is nice. End Rolls from newspapers can usually be bought at a very low price
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Old 01-15-2015, 08:10 PM
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I get end rolls. The tricky thing with rolls is they are awkward to make pads with. If you can get it pre cut that is nice.
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Old 01-15-2015, 08:24 PM
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You can also buy big sheets of paper from Uline or other companies. They come as big pads of like a thousand sheets. No ink really is nice. End Rolls from newspapers can usually be bought at a very low price
The "big pad of 1000 sheets" is what I bought.
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Old 01-15-2015, 10:18 PM
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I guess we're witnessing the future of paper shaping pads. With actual printed newspapers going the way of the Dodo, I imagine you'll have to buy newsprint directly like this, or go with the felt thingies.

I normally always have some newsprint around for sketching purposes anyway. I tend to use the marver more for shaping glass.

I'm pleasantly surprised that paper manufactured as packing material has such good qualities. I see that a 1,700 foot roll from Uline is $33.
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Well, that is what I like to call Boutique shaping paper. I guess at some point you really need to look at where your costs are and use the best material around. For me I like to make my paper from scratch so I know what is in it, how it reacts to the glass, and so I can change it's burning properties.

I kid..I kid...I could not resist.
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I guess we're witnessing the future of paper shaping pads. With actual printed newspapers going the way of the Dodo
.....some moron told the paper boy to throw the paper some where near my driveway for past 2 weeks. i subscribed ot it on line years ago
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Old 01-16-2015, 08:23 AM
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Well, that is what I like to call Boutique shaping paper. I guess at some point you really need to look at where your costs are and use the best material around. For me I like to make my paper from scratch so I know what is in it, how it reacts to the glass, and so I can change it's burning properties.

I kid..I kid...I could not resist.
Why not? How about graphite powder mixed in with that pulp ?

Little things can make a huge difference !
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Check freecycle, lot of folks give away their packing paper for moving that way.
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Old 01-16-2015, 10:56 AM
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What do people put in the pulp besides paper when you make paper machet sculpting pads? I made one years ago in Pinos' class but all I remember was some wood glue.

Graphite seems like an interesting idea.
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Old 01-16-2015, 11:06 AM
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Paper, water and wood glue. That's it.
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Paper, water and wood glue. That's it.
Has anyone ever tried making a blow mold out of this?
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Has anyone ever tried making a blow mold out of this?
I made a pulp mold for an 18" baptismal font. Newspaper and wood glue. Basically a big salad bowl less than a hemisphere. Formed over a wax dome same as hand casting a furnace dome. The material shrinks when it dries (!) Other than loss of dimension, it worked for the few pieces needed to yield the product.
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I made a pulp mold for an 18" baptismal font. Newspaper and wood glue. Basically a big salad bowl less than a hemisphere. Formed over a wax dome same as hand casting a furnace dome. The material shrinks when it dries (!) Other than loss of dimension, it worked for the few pieces needed to yield the product.
Sounds like that would be a big smoking mold, but I'm sure it worked fine.
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Old 01-16-2015, 01:48 PM
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I have an old 14 inch crucible I line with paper and use it to blow into. It gets wet, it gets dry. I change the paper when it starts to float away. I still just use regular old newsprint from the local free rag.
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My shipping clerk just told me tha UPS insurance will no longer cover anything shipped with them that is packed with newspaper.
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Old 01-16-2015, 07:38 PM
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Recycled or new?

Even worse as long as I can rant. UPS doesn't really have insurance. It has an interesting way of avoiding liability. If you have a claim one of two things occurs. Either you have not packed the work correctly and therefor they don't have to pay, or if you do pack it correctly, it means it was already damaged before you put it in the box. Crawford Insurance, a truly terrible joke.

On the other hand, Fed ex won't insure Artwork.
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I ship FedEx. I pack really well and never insure. No breaks for over a decade.
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Old 01-17-2015, 03:37 AM
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FedEx has insured our work for years. We do pay an extra fee per hundred in value. The one claim I made was paid without inspection, so I think the driver had already reported damage to the carton. But, then I had to make the piece over again, but at least I had been paid for the first one.

We always double box, so we pay for a lot of unused volume, but no losses is worth the cost.

Now, back to newspaper pulp fiction.
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Old 01-17-2015, 05:22 AM
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I recommend using the newspaper Koozie that Olympic sells. Any paper will work in these and no more trash ash on the bench. You can also put a used up Gott steamer inside, it will last almost forever. The Koozie's surface holds up really well and the pad can be used quite thin and still stays cool on the hand, and the feel is excellent for that reason. The big fat paper pad is hard to compare with one that is less than 3/8" thick, and allows you to almost sculpt with it. Like any pad, you'll have to get used to when it might stick to the glass, but that learning curve is short. I was a die hard Gott steamer man until one day I was forced to use one of these, they have much more control.
Now Olympic sells a "smoothing pad" which looks like the felt material that's on a Gott Steamer. Anyone try that?
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Old 01-17-2015, 04:55 PM
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Well, I think Phil will undercut most anyone if the opportunity arises. I recall him dissing Gaffer color rod company when they came on the scene and only Jim Myers had them at East Bay. Then of course Phil got them, Kugler went across town in yet another strange emigration move and suddenly Kugler was junk. Tom Littleton has certainly been cloned. Olympic certainly tried to screw with my business. Ethics are kind of limited in that part of the northwest. Support who you will. What goes around comes around in my limited experience.
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