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Old 04-28-2018, 01:24 PM
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Question on cremains in glass

Ok collective hive...I have a few questions:
What is your earliest recollection of any glass artist placing human ashes into glass to create a memorial piece? Is it the 70's or 80's?

One final related question - What is the earliest company set up to offer this class of goods to market? websites, company name, etc.
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:01 PM
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I dont know, but why do you want to know?
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:48 PM
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I was doing a little with clay with glass inlays with ashes, late Sixties early Seventies. Made a bunch of urns with ashes in the glazes.
What's the point?
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:52 AM
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I would have immediately suspected Rob Adamson.
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Old 04-29-2018, 04:40 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me to see it in 1800's paperweights but that just a hunch.
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Old 04-29-2018, 06:50 PM
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I'm thinking real reliquaries, not junk rolled in a paperweight.
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:37 PM
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My guess would be Murano, as soon as they got clear glas figured out
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Phosphate opal glasses are thought to have originated in 14th Century Persia and recipes began circulating among German alchemists in the 17th century, including the famous glass maker Johannes Kunckel.

I've always thought it bit bogus that current glass reliquary trade entails just rolling up human ashes into a crude paperweight. In my opinion it's much classier and more appropriate and professional to melt the bone ashes into a bespoke batch along with perhaps a colorant of the family's choice that can add an extra emotional and spiritual element.

On an interesting historical side note one of Kunckel's alchemist contemporaries, Johann Becher, was overawed by the fact that human bones could render glass milky and in his book with the wonderful title "Subterranean Physics" he noted:
Oh, how it should be of custom that I would have friends to serve my dry bones, exhausted of all of life's work, this last of all duties, and transform them into this never changing timeless substance, glass, the softest color of its kind...,the trembling Narcissus' milky reflection, possible to be done in some few hours only. so as to become evidence of God's almighty power on the day of resurrection and illumination".

Becher was reluctant to make the secret known for fear such an awful revelation may lead to its misuse!
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I'd be curious to see how to incorporate ashes into glass without being a "stupid paperweight".

Every person who has come in and made their own has had a spiritual experience... which I'm glad I can provide. And I can charge good money for them, so it's a win-win
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:55 AM
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John says "Crude", I say "Junk". What do you expect from people that make the actual glass bodies.? Elation brought about through ignorance usually depresses me. I go to great lengths to keep junk out of my glasses. But then again my dog loves to roll in Horse shit.
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I refuse to make glass from ashes but I have done it a few times just to see how it all works. I made a beautiful cobalt twisty cane pull out of Fred and then cut the cane into small lengths that were made into pendants. I think 1 TSP of fred made 20 pendants. I added a little dicro frit to give it some sparkle.
The big personal realization I had was I was desecrating human remains and scratch my head on the morality of it all and definitely do t want trace amounts of someone’s ashes in my studio and ending up on my sandwich.
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we sprinkled Mary Beth's furniture teacher's ( a true master) ashes in our woodshop here in the barn. We don't eat sandwiches off the floor. Well, not very often anyways.

I made reliquaries for his family.
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Sorry about the “demon spelling”. I posted that from my iPhone.
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I'd be curious to see how to incorporate ashes into glass without being a "stupid paperweight".

Every person who has come in and made their own has had a spiritual experience... which I'm glad I can provide. And I can charge good money for them, so it's a win-win
I make spheres with ashes incorporated into them. The white fluffy trail is human remains. Its an amazing experience to be part of someones healing.
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Wow Larry. That's about the nicest looking cremains tribute I've seen. Well done!
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Wow Larry. That's about the nicest looking cremains tribute I've seen. Well done!
Thanks Dan. Ive been doing them for a few years and it has changed my outlook on just how rewarding making art can be. The first ones I did were for my family after my father died. Making Those was a very powerful experience for me and it spread by referrals from those. Most folks ask for something small so that it can be carried in a pocket or purse so I suggest keeping them around 2".
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we sprinkled Mary Beth's furniture teacher's ( a true master) ashes in our woodshop here in the barn. We don't eat sandwiches off the floor. Well, not very often anyways.

I made reliquaries for his family.
We spread my father in laws on the 18th hole of a golf course he loved and played regularly.
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I'll keep that in mind. I have a hard time with the idea. John Croucher's entry on phosphate opals is also interesting as I have recently melted my first batch of this glass. I'd be interested in using animal bone ash to find a recipe that would work. Pete warned that it is difficult, but perhaps using a small amount (<0.5%) to the total phosphate (3-4%) would be feasible.
I really respect that you used your Father's ashes before moving on to other people's loved ones. I imagine that gave both you and your customers a level of comfort in the process.
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you don't actually need the calcium. replace it with Strontium unless you like above 2500F.
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...... Most folks ask for something small so that it can be carried in a pocket or purse so I suggest keeping them around 2".
Reductio ad absurdum: "I don't know, let's ask Dad!"

I have more faith in the Magic 8 Ball.
I like knowing that my father is in one place, not on my person or spread out among relatives who may or may not have their own agendas.
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Without having thought much about it, I don't think I want to be a paperweight, but Larrys pictures look nice

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I respect the living and if they tell me they don't want to be a paper weight I promise to do my best and not make them into a paper weight. Many states still insist on embalming before cremation. To me that's just silly. The best thing I see happening is a trend for green burials. No embalming wicker or wood casket no grave marker just returning to the earth in a most natural way. I was surprised when I found out I can be buried on my property. I don't have to go anywhere think of the money I'll save.
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I want Ed S to cremate me like he cremated that cat...
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