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There's really not much glass activity in Stockholm; one tourist-oriented hotshop last I heard. More likely location would be one of the Smaland towns, Afors, Orrefors, Kosta, Boda, etc.

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More likely Växjö, the largest city in the region. It's easier to get to than the smaller factory towns, more hosting facilities, and it has the glass museum.
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Does the word "Dumb" ring any bells? I would note that Mitchell Veenstra is doing a demo/presentation of how to make simple colors from clear glass which I view as a good start for the unwashed. I'd like to hear how the turnout for that goes. Beyond that, Corning is an excellent place to hold a conference in glass unless your interest is in a party every year.

This ? Meh.
I'm actually pretty pissed about the scheduling situation. It really does a disservice to St. Pete and the great glass community that has formed in the area. The Imagine Museum is actually legit and has a ton of great work. Duncan's, Zen Glass and 3-4 more hot shops coming online soon, along with the Morean who was first on the block with a hot shop, and across from the Chihuly Museum.

I also see a "Habitat Glass Gallery" coming soon as I drove down Central Ave

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I'll have to check out that lecture, Pete. Anybody else have a recommendation?
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:38 AM
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All of these places are within a 20 minute walk or 5 minute drive, too.

Enough bitching... looking forward to it.
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:59 PM
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Normally, scheduling demos and lectures are run thurs-sat with the party Sat Night and the general meeting on Sunday which no one attends. If you look at the number of venues those three days, it's pretty sparse for renting any halls if necessary. For Hot demos, the locals have to be receptive since CMOG can't do it all. I don't think the color lecture is a groundbreaker but is a good toe in the water. It's really hard for me to gauge the true level of knowledge or committment.

It strikes me as a pretty damped down conference. I wonder what the attendance will be actually. GAS as an organization has the only real function of organizing conferences. The gate and membership float the organization and keep the staff paid. I've thought for a long time that they should not necessarily be held annually just for the sake of it, but almost anything I ever suggested was not well received. We just think too differently.

I do like Corning and will always go there.
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There is a boro hotshop being built the backyard where I'm staying. Pretty damn cool already!

Sam Stang, Ben Edols or the color class tomorrow AM. Hmmmmmmmmm.
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After a couple decades of doing this I'm rather burned out on demos. I like to attend them if a civilian is with me, so I can answer questions. I know there's always something new to learn, but I just need to put more time in at the bench (re)building my skills. I much prefer attending lectures on technical issues. The Rakow was a highlight at Corning, so I'll def. go when it's there again. I didn't know Mitchell was doing a demo. That's cool. I would have liked to attend that.
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Mitchell's lecture was great. You got a couple shout outs from him, Pete.

On a side note, I didn't realize Bill Gates would be teaching me about glass!
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:37 AM
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Mitch is starting from a very good place adding metallic oxides to cullet where possible. That was my toe in the water fifty years ago. Once I screwed up the courage to mix Giberson's formula in a cardboard drum with my hands ( no gloves) there was no turning back. The melter had two 7lb pots from Charles Taylor and they would last three weeks. That first color furnace sat on dirt in the outdoor area. I loved it. It took less than a year to alter Gib's stuff to be a bit more stable.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:42 AM
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After a couple decades of doing this I'm rather burned out on demos. I like to attend them if a civilian is with me, so I can answer questions. The Rakow was a highlight at Corning, so I'll def. go when it's there again. I didn't know Mitchell was doing a demo. That's cool. I would have liked to attend that.
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Demo's are frequently really hard to see. When I was on the board at GAS, I wanted to see demos taped for a lending library. That was well before Youtube. No one would let GAS do it. They all wanted their own tape and sold them. I viewed that as unfortunate.

But one of the weird things about teaching is having your work imitated. Initially I think it to be a good grounding in technique but too often it just turns into ripping off someone else's work. In that sense, doing demos is risky and so is making tape of them.
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Look what I spied... non-borax, supposedly. And available now.

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Also heard a new term from Jim Moore... "hard glass"... aka boro. Dig it
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Look what I spied... non-borax, supposedly. And available now.

https://imgur.com/a/cYUCB8r
Link doesn’t work. More info please
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:34 PM
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Try this on for size.

https://m.imgur.com/bovuNW3

Oceanside/spectrum. Non-borax, no lithium. It looks like chips of plate glass, with cullet to "come soon".
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:35 PM
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"Similar" to 2.0
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Any mention on timeline? I've got about 2 pallets of the old stuff left, so it's about time to place an order.
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The flake is available now (supposedly) and don't know about the cullet.

Oceanside's president is working the booth... so get your question in. I'll ask them tomorrow.
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:08 PM
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Did they say who though? There's nothing on Olympic indicating they're distributing, ditto on the Oceanside website.

Curious as to what they mean as "similar to 2.0". That stuff wasn't compatible with Sys 96, but the studio nuggets were. Would be nice to not have to do a tank wash.
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The flake is available now (supposedly) and don't know about the cullet.

Oceanside's president is working the booth... so get your question in. I'll ask them tomorrow.
The questions would be...When would cullet be available, and where.... price? Who is doing the beta testing?
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:21 PM
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Did they say who though? There's nothing on Olympic indicating they're distributing, ditto on the Oceanside website.

Curious as to what they mean as "similar to 2.0". That stuff wasn't compatible with Sys 96, but the studio nuggets were. Would be nice to not have to do a tank wash.
So your still melting the original studio nuggets? I take it you have a huge stash of the system 96 glass left that matches it.
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:29 PM
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I would not buy volume from anyone who has had only six months with the product.
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I heard it was the original sys 96 cullet formula. I have no desire to go back to that glass. It seemed very dusty.
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Old 03-29-2019, 07:27 AM
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Oceanside bought the formulas from Spectrum for at least the Spectrum 2.0, which is the purloined formulation inadvertently supplied to Spectrum a number of years back. It is possible it is that formulation but I view that as unlikely, particularly given the shape of the product. They also purchased the sys96 formulation along with the color work.

If I understood the transfer correctly, Oceanside announced that they were committing to producing and marketing sys96. They were making that product in Tijuana. The reports I heard were that the stuff was quite bubbly and cordy at the time and needed more to to work out the bugs.

If It was me looking for cullet, I would ask for a substantial sample, enough to fill a reasonable sized pot. Your pot would need to be washed with some of it before actual charging.
If it is sys96, that glass was a 94.1 as measured by both John Croucher and me. That puts it outside the range of compatibility of conventional 96 LEC glasses in many instances. On a different front The Kugler product has not been well received. People seem to tolerate the Cristalica but I don't think there's any brand loyalty.

If the Parriot glass coming into Seattle at Olympic is decent and you can actually get it with consistent quality delivery, that would be preferable in my mind. I think supply could become the issue there, we'll see.
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What a perfect name for spectrum ! Lol.
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Pete... you would love Imagine Museum (I think) dedicated to the American studio movement.

The Henry Halem blew my mind at the beginning.

The museum is second only to Corning which is great for contemporary and ancient glass but not this stuff.

https://youtu.be/T2SZlaU3jgY
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