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Old 04-12-2019, 09:18 AM
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I find that anything electronic is fine as long as it works, once it has a problem it's a crap shoot. Doesn't matter if it is a phone, computer, automobile, controller, watch, etc.

I was just on a cruise when 2 elevators had problems and needed to be fixed. Long and short of it was that they were made by Schindler and were 20 years old and they only had one person who they could send to fix them. He was in Italy,. They tried to send him to the port we were visiting in Brazil but Brazil has such strict restrictions on visas that he was unable to come. He finally met the ship and repaired them in St. Lucia in a few hours.
Technicians are scarce inn this day and age and technology is changing so fast that industry can not keep up. Example: Here at the local National Laboratory run by the Department of Energy. They still employ some guys in there 80's because there is no one else on staff that is capable of knowing how to use and fix some of their systems.
Convenience comes at a cost and you may never really know what that cost is until something doesn't perform properly.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:42 AM
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electronics have finalized a throw away society . Plastics make it infinitely worse. I too hate touch screen failure.

SInce China refused to take out plastic recycle following the imposition of tariffs by Trump, I have become tons more conscious about what I buy and how I carry it home. I don't really like beverages in plastic but now buy only aluminum cans for them. That still recycles. Our little town now can only recycle cardboard and aluminum.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:57 AM
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I'm coming to prefer products that I have some ability to repair, that's why I go PC. GB's I have a few things I can test before I send them back, the Love's I just threw away.

We had a control and record system for the holes at my old place that a singular non staffed person knew how to diagnose and modify. I made sure that was left behind when we relocated. I changed it to a pretty slick keycard system through our alarm company. The two times it went down I told them to show me how to fix it, information is power.
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:04 AM
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Peet Robison always built his own controllers. That really impressed me. I've never asked my son if it's doable for him.
When I was a lot younger, we had these big clunky boxes from West or Honeywell and I could pick them up at Los Alamos surplus for .10 Cents a pound. They were straight out of Frankenstein's laboratory but I threw them all out when we moved. I always loved the big "Clunk" when they tuned up. West made ramp and soaks as well and they had cams in them cut from thin aluminum. You had to cut your own programs. They had set ups to graph what was going on as well. The sheet paper became hard to get. Early days. The Bob Barber was really remarkable.
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:32 AM
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My son built a bluetooth controller for phones as a high school project and then abandoned it when something else more interesting came along. The parts are amazingly cheap and available.
I think I still have a couple of those old controllers. They were monsters and ridiculously expensive when new.
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:41 AM
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As a process controller goes what we are asking for is not that complicated, seems like something that you'd be able to program in arduino. They sell Pi sensors that can handle our temps.

I actually prefer the clunk of manual relays, sets a nice rhythm in the studio. Was always curious about the old manual cam and gear systems.
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:43 AM
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Did Mark ever switch over to electronic controllers. I remember being in his studio once and he commented how he would stay with his old disc and cam controllers as long as possible because they were more trustworthy and he understood most things about them. I think they were Honeywells.
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:58 AM
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My first controller was a cam attached to an electromechanical timer and a string that would turn an infinite switch scavenged from an old stove.
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Pete, it costs $375. Money well spent.
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Old 04-12-2019, 01:00 PM
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It simply does not persuade me at all. The auber costs 90 dollars and does the job just fine. It's the perverse decimal process on it that drives me nuts. Mary Beth is fine with it.
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Old 04-12-2019, 01:52 PM
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Ok... I get it.

I mean.... some people still speak Latin.
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Old 04-12-2019, 02:40 PM
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I have problems with Diamonds as well. They don't give as good a surface as grits used properly.

Also, I do read and speak attic Greek.
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I love my Fuji's. I also spent the time so I can now program them from the front panel.

Originally I spent extra to get the RS485 versions and invested in a converter from RS485 to PC. I got the PXR program on a very old Toshiba laptop (one with a REAL RS232 connector!) and I used that to program the controllers for years.

Then one day I got lazy and just stepped through the front panel 'stuff' comparing what it said to the last program I'd entered. Now (as said above) I can program them from the front panel completely.

They are cheap, reliable and work very well. Mine have either 2 programs of 4 steps, or one 8-step program. One runs my furnace, the other my annealer. I would buy them again anytime.
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