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Old 02-18-2020, 04:31 PM
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It appears

Crystalica is changing its name and is building a new furnace.
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:21 PM
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It's Cristalica. Where's your link to that assertion?
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:21 PM
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Source? I poked around their website and a few other places online, couldn't find anything to that effect.

(Edit: Dangit. Pete beat me to it)

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Old 02-18-2020, 08:21 PM
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Go to the “nuggets for studio glass” FB page. Scroll down for the name change announcement and click on the new name to see the furnace build pics.

Sorry not sorry for the miss spelling :P
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:41 PM
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Harzkristall Nuggets on FB has pics of new furnace
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:21 PM
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That's a small furnace for this type of production.
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:38 AM
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Go to the “nuggets for studio glass” FB page. Scroll down for the name change announcement and click on the new name to see the furnace build pics.
Other than the changes to pages info (phone #, etc.), I don't see any posts from this year.
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Old 02-19-2020, 07:23 AM
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They also changed their phone number 6 hours ago. Something is afoot.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:30 AM
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I think the demand for cullet to be about $11,000,000.00 per year. With a decent pair of 5,000 lb Korean melters at 50K each turnkey, an american based melter could make quality clear and it would take about two years to recover the one million dollar investment. But the price has to be closer to $1.75lb.

As long as the price is artifically supressed, actors will come and go on this stage and we'll see cullet shortages and quality lapses from here on. The only American melt operation I can see that could do it is Gaffer. Bullseye simply doesn't have the space.

That's what I see.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:21 AM
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If Gaffer pulled that off I think a lot of people would go nuts for it. They certainly wouldn't get as much hum and hawing as others entering the field. At least not from me.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:53 AM
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Perhaps the fact that Gaffer has thus far not entered into this dog-and-pony says something about it.
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Old 02-19-2020, 10:06 AM
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well, I note that we have a new registrant with a cristalica address it will be interesting to see what that person may have to say.
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Old 02-19-2020, 11:21 AM
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$11,000.00??? do you mean 11,000,000.00?
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Old 02-19-2020, 11:23 AM
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"As long as the price is artifically supressed, actors will come and go on this stage and we'll see cullet shortages and quality lapses from here on. The only American melt operation I can see that could do it is Gaffer. Bullseye simply doesn't have the space."

I don't know that Gaffer can do it. I have had a lot of backorder issues with them since the move. I like them, I like a lot of their color but the backorder has been pretty painful.
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:38 PM
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I don't know that Gaffer can do it. I have had a lot of backorder issues with them since the move. I like them, I like a lot of their color but the backorder has been pretty painful.
Anybody have any updates on this? I've pretty much only seen more back orders, with nothing come back in stock. The luster's have been particularly bad.
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:57 PM
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I'm not saying they are doing it at all. It wasn't hard to anticipate that the move would not go easily. Melting color in volume is a lot harder than most people realize. Federal and State regulations have been particularly hard for folks from another country and Portland is chock full of regulators that would like to rigidly adhere to ordinances. Visas for critical workers did not come. Materials sourcing is totally different. I could go on and on.
With John C in semi retirement, he's not an easy man to replace either.
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Old 02-19-2020, 01:01 PM
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$11,000.00??? do you mean 11,000,000.00?
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So roughly you see a market for about 4,000 tons a year for cullet? Interesting. That would mean roughly about 5.5 million a year factory cost for that.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:34 PM
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At the least.
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That market is so miniscule that I doubt anyone would have any interest if it was just the U.S. market and even world wide is still not big enough to entice anyone that has that kind of money and expertise to venture in. Such a niched market needs to produce more revenue per lb for it to be enticing to anyone just as Pete has said. Besides who wants to risk starting new businesses such as this with the political, environmental, and energy markets in this country the way they are. It will go full circle eventually to where everyone will have to melt their own if it is still allowed.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:22 PM
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Or regionally, like coors beer once was. Even I could do cullet for New Hampshire.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:20 AM
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Or regionally, like coors beer once was. Even I could do cullet for New Hampshire.
I see it now, the advent of the "micro cullet producers". Probably a market to make small furnaces just for that just as the equipment for micro breweries and distilleries has taken off.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:42 AM
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I said "Could", not "would" and it would be based in real market costs. That says $1.75 lb or more but it would be very nice stuff. Better than Coors certainly.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:48 AM
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Does this mean there might be chance for Pete's Famous Batchmeister to be real?
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Old 02-20-2020, 12:16 PM
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No, I might consider holding a class on basic issues with making one's own batch when the weather is warmer. Stepping further into color is not realistic fo me at this stage and my age. I don't want to build more furnaces at this point and color would require that if taught properly. Remember, we melted 14 pots for five days. That's a lot of tooling.
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