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The latest bait from Rosen:

info@BestAmMade.com "Call for Art: Cremation Urns & Art Memorials"

I know it's true but pumpkins seemed so much more cultured a pursuit.
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The possibility to urn a living doing this remains to be seen.
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only in a clear glass.
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I was just asked to do the "remains as an inclusion" thing. No thanks.
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Well at least there's no shortage of potential buyers....
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I was just asked to do the "remains as an inclusion" thing. No thanks.
If you don't want to do it, send them my way.... I can see the writing on the wall...
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.. and it says "no free lunch" or in Spanish "No Lonche." Want it in Italian?
I can get it in Mandarin. Winter is coming.
Actually, I hate the inclusions too. Why not drag it across the floor. Either melt it in or bottle it. Bone ash opals are the most beautiful glasses that exist. I put my family from both sides inside bottles. We spread the rest on the fields. I miss them all terribly.
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.. and it says "no free lunch" or in Spanish "No Lonche." Want it in Italian?
I can get it in Mandarin. Winter is coming.
Actually, I hate the inclusions too. Why not drag it across the floor. Either melt it in or bottle it. Bone ash opals are the most beautiful glasses that exist. I put my family from both sides inside bottles. We spread the rest on the fields. I miss them all terribly.
OK, I'm missing your point. If people want someone to make something nice as a remembrance of an individual or pet, why shouldn't I do it? Not everyone is as skilled as you to make the opal glass with actual ash, but why belittle what I am doing? The pieces that I make are not "high art" and won't be in a museum, but I have made many people happy with what I can do with the limited skills that I have.
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I'll send them your way, Mark. I saw an advertisement of yours years ago in a American Craft issue, I believe. Your Rose Bloom vase design really inspired me. I hung the picture on my shop wall I must confess I have tried to replicate it with NO success...kudos.
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I'll send them your way, Mark. I saw an advertisement of yours years ago in a American Craft issue, I believe. Your Rose Bloom vase design really inspired me. I hung the picture on my shop wall I must confess I have tried to replicate it with NO success...kudos.
Thanks.... I still have a trick or two left
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OK, I'm missing your point. If people want someone to make something nice as a remembrance of an individual or pet, why shouldn't I do it? Not everyone is as skilled as you to make the opal glass with actual ash, but why belittle what I am doing? The pieces that I make are not "high art" and won't be in a museum, but I have made many people happy with what I can do with the limited skills that I have.
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I like you just fine. It just looks "icky " when I see it . Glass for me is transmissivity and translucence. I'm stupid that way. They are my personal prejudices. Since I know it can be done, I choose that harder road . It's me, not you. I don't mean to belittle you. I'd far rather show you new roads. It's my fundamental goal here to push on everyone until they conspire to kill me off. There is no other renaissance team coming buddy. We're about done.
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Glass Eye offers the inclusion "service," so I think I'd like to be cremated and distributed to airport gift shops coast-to-coast.
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I've done a few in my time. These are past pet memorials I made for myself
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Trap me not in my own works. I'd rather you plant me and reap my works, should another generation make use of them. I could be so lucky.
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It looks like glass had a good run. But now it's time to crank up the volume!

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40492466
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I'm following Pete on the soylent green path.
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I think Mark Peiser said it best:

"It's absolutely OK to be making doughnuts but you must make the very best doughnuts that can be made."
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I think that if you are going to make work with human remains, you had better take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself if
A- is this a morally correct thing to do
B- did the person who died want their remains turned into a paperweight?
C- where will this paperweight eventually turn up? I have seen cremains paperweights at a flea market while looking for old tools...



This post isn't directed at anyone, especially Mark and I don't judge anyone that does it. I just find it tremendously gross.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:13 AM
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I'm often reminded of the incredible movie "The Loved One" which was a black humor look at the funeral industry based on a novel by Eveline Waugh. It starred Rod Steiger ( Dr joyboy) and Jonathan winters, one as the embalmer and the other as a Blessed Reverend trying to cope with the notion that "Whispering Glades was running out of places to put the stiffs."
In that movie, there's this younger guy trying to impress Amy Thanotogenous (the beautician) with poetry. He works at the local pet cemetery and in one scene goes to get his lunch from the fridge and there's a hamster a pig and a raven in there.

Hard to find, well worth seeing.

What I find particularly crass about the Rosen offer is the pitch "that you can take that common old vase you get $100 bucks for and make in a funerary urn and get $400.! You just need to turn on the charm". It's really very similar to the trip Dale took to see Italo Scanga and having him go to a promoter.

This sums up where we've arrived after fifty five years. I both laugh and cry.
** I just bought a copy of the Loved one on Amazon!
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Cremated remains are mostly dry calcium phosphates with some minor minerals, such as salts of sodium and potassium. Sulfur and most carbon are driven off as oxidized gases during the process, although a relatively small amount of carbon may remain as carbonate.


I can't see how this is icky or gross it is not a human body your trying to encapsulate. I fail to see any connection to a living person. I understand we don't all share the same moral compass. I have at least a half a dozen different ashes in the shop and don't think if I dumped them on the banana trees or flushed them the past owners would care at all. Everyone has there own way of dealing with death and I respect that but for me once your gone your gone.


I personally plan on a green burial with a recorded gps location for a head stone. Let the worms eat me. The stories will live on the body not so much.

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I like you just fine. It just looks "icky " when I see it . Glass for me is transmissivity and translucence. I'm stupid that way. They are my personal prejudices. Since I know it can be done, I choose that harder road . It's me, not you. I don't mean to belittle you. I'd far rather show you new roads. It's my fundamental goal here to push on everyone until they conspire to kill me off. There is no other renaissance team coming buddy. We're about done.
I understand that everyone has their own place in the glass world and each of us is trying to walk our own path. My path never included chemistry and formulations. In fact, that is a scary path for me. That doesn't mean that I don't applaud those of you who walk well down that path. And always, I applaud you and the others on here who so willingly share information that was next to impossible to get years ago....
It took me some time to get used to making pieces with cremains. There definitely is an "ick" factor that you have to get past. I make them while I am alone in the shop in the evening and try to use my skill to "honor" the deceased and make something that the client feels good about.
This week has been a very hard one down here.... forgive me if I have been too sensitive...
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I think that if you are going to make work with human remains, you had better take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself if
A- is this a morally correct thing to do
B- did the person who died want their remains turned into a paperweight?
C- where will this paperweight eventually turn up? I have seen cremains paperweights at a flea market while looking for old tools...



This post isn't directed at anyone, especially Mark and I don't judge anyone that does it. I just find it tremendously gross.
No offense taken.... everyone's morals are different. It used to be that only prisoners or sailors got tattoos, but look at today's world. It is against Jewish law to get one. I won't get one, but my son has many.
You would be surprised how many people come in here looking for cremains or urns for their eventual demise.
I can't control where a piece ends up. If the piece was meant to be an heirloom, and ends up in a flea market, it is on the relative, not me.
Like I said before, my moral compass remains true. In fact, I think that it is better than most. I am providing a service for someone who wants a lasting memory of a loved one. It is their choice to have one made or not.
....now I'm going to go make lids for all of my pieces and give Wendy a call
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It's not as though your cremated grandma is going to be handed down for multiple generations. Sooner or later Grandma is going to be disposed of, either in a landfill, dumped on a roadside or possibly scattered somewhere the scatterer thinks is more "respectful", sooner or later you're blowing in the wind.
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I believe that there could be a market to turn the ashes of bigoted old homophobic men into butt plugs.

That's a cause I could get behind. Ba-dum-hiss !
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Marys Beth's mother is in the big sheep field which she loved. Her wood working teacher is scattered in our woodshop.
I don't like the effect of rolled bone parts in a piece because the snot just looks terrible to me as someone who loves clean glass, but a bone ash opal is a beautiful thing. I'm fine with reliquaries that have the stopper sealed. I don't mean to be insulting. I'm always trying to encourage people to be their best.
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