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Old 04-14-2015, 03:15 PM
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Speaking of cullet

Last week we received cullet from Spectrum that was full of stones. This was regular nuggets not the 2.0. We ended up with over 250 seconds from this bad glass. Needless to say it cost the company a lot of time and money.

One bag from 4/3/15 had 47 stones per 50 pound bag. Another from 3/21/15 had 39 stones per 50 pound bag. I do not have the lot numbers because the chargers charged and tossed the bags. I should have put them in a different spot.

They mostly look like small little pieces of AZS. Very white. We had two Spectrum engineers out to look at them. OCR replaced all our cullet with good cullet and Spectrum is looking into it on their end. The replacement cullet from around the same date seems fine.

The easiest way to look for these stones is to pour out 20-30 nuggets at a time into a pan or container that is filled with water so it just covers the nuggets. It makes the surface defects disappear and lets you see into the nugget easier.

Quality control seems to have been on vacation or just non existent. Very disappointing. Hopefully they get the message. It would be nice to have an alternative available.

I can hear Pete crowing all the way from Seattle!
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Old 04-14-2015, 03:59 PM
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I'm not crowing, I think it's really scary to be dependent on cullet. Studio history has taught me that cullet is a transitory kind of material that disappears. We started with this stuff called Keystone cullet and it was .02 lb. Worked great. We all told each other about our great find and everyone started to order it. Keystone had never seen so many sales and "Hey, clear is clear" and they threw every kind of clear glass they could find in the barrels. It was just pure junk and Keystone was quietly abandoned in less than two years.

Then came Gabbert, a seemingly endless supply of factory drops. As the shops in West Virginia failed, ultimately so has the gabbert connection. Gone is Louis cullet, Fenton, gone. This will not stop in this country with the exception of bottle glass coming out of Northwest or Anchor Hocking in New Jersey and it isn't workable with the color rods.

So, the complaint is that Spruce Pine batch is unpleasant. Cullet is so easy until of course you get victimized like Jordan did. If the AZS is starting to come out of the furnace, it's unlikely to stop. Spruce Pine has had a nightmare experience with their continuous melter. Bottom line is that everyone is depending on these sources and that is a very dangerous thing to do. While SP87 batch may not be as easy as dumping bags of cullet in the tank, the truth is it will always be better glass and is always available. Every time a glass gets melted, it gets shorter. There is nothing quite like a fresh batch if you're fussy- and you should be. I've been revising mine again, pushing the potassium content up, the soda down and getting pure alumina in while abandoning feldspar entirely. The glass is just stunning the color just gets better and better and it's coming out of a three year old High Temp pot.

The cautionary tale here is that you should insure yourselves by learning how to make glass from raw materials or to always have SP87 as a batch on hand. If you think that you can always rely on cullet companies, experience tells me you're really wrong.
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Old 04-14-2015, 04:25 PM
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Jordan, sent you a PM.
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Old 04-14-2015, 04:27 PM
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but the fact that no one noticed at Spectrum is kind of interesting.
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Old 04-14-2015, 05:08 PM
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Had stones in spectrum 96 but couldn't tell where they came from. Thought it was the crown. Good tip for looking at the nuggets in water.
Did find a hex head machine bolt once In a sack. Real confidence builder. Glad that's behind me.
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Old 04-14-2015, 05:26 PM
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I do recall the mixer at SP disintegrating a long time ago. Kind of like crackerJacks with a surprise in every bag.
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:19 PM
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You just gotta look through the bags. Not as terrible as it sounds once you get a system down. If you don't find stuff in the first 50 nuggets you probably won't find them in the rest. Spectrum does have a tolerance for inclusions and we were 150% over.
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They have two furnaces so they can accommodate rebuilds.
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That's good to hear.
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Old 05-04-2015, 07:07 PM
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They have two furnaces so they can accommodate rebuilds.
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That would not explain the current situation if that's really the case.
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:11 PM
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They have two furnaces so they can accommodate rebuilds.
are those dedicated cullet furnaces or used for other purposes as well?
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I emailed Spectrum today with pictures..... not expecting a reply
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:27 AM
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I had a pallet of some really bad nuggets as well. They were very dusty, about 15 lbs of dust per bag and the nuggets were almost white and very hazy. When I would melt the stuff I had huge snotty clear chunks that wouldn't melt and the biggest cords I have ever seen. I thought my furnace got old over night or something, I mean I get the occasional cord but this was unreal some of these chunks of unmeltable stuff would be a 1/4" thick rock. Anyways I melted two runs from another pallet and my glass was normal again then tried another bag of the old stuff and boom they were back.
I talked to Phil and they replaced the glass with a new pallet that had about 700 lbs from the same run. So I just made the switch to the 2.0 nuggets, I will wash the pot this weekend and start the 2.0 next week. Hope this solves the problems. I will post some images and the melt date later, its all down in the shop.
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:15 AM
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It's amazing to hear these stories, and studios keep buying the same brand. Talk about loyalty.
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Old 05-23-2015, 07:39 PM
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Ooooooh. That's a good one!
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:13 AM
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That must be a ten carat stone! Did you buy this direct from Spectrum, or through Olympic. I would be making a lot of noise about it. ( I am anyway).

Go give free samples to people at the GAS conference in front of either the Olympic or Spectrum booth or at least tell them that's your current plan. I'd wager you get new cullet.
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:58 AM
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Unfortunately I'm not attending GAS this year. I was wondering if anyone on this thread is attending. If so please let me know what comes up. We do buy from OCR.
If someone wants a few samples to wave around let me know!
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Old 05-24-2015, 09:01 AM
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Complain LOUDLY to Phil. He makes money on those sales. Take note that he replaced the stuff Jordan had with no question. Why are you treated differently?
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I was wondering if anyone on this thread is attending. If so please let me know what comes up.
I will be attending for the first time. I will keep an ear open for anything.
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They'd probably deny that it's theirs.
They might even claim it's a conspiracy against them & their fine product/company.

As long as the orders keep coming in, the crap will keep being shipped out. It's a "supply & demand" thing. The numbers will tell them what they can get away with.
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Old 05-24-2015, 01:01 PM
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Pete, I can still think ahead. But will I remember when I get there. Remind me!!
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I don't order the cullet - my partner does. I thought it came from Spectrum. Now I know it comes from OCR. We will be complaining shortly!
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Pete, I can still think ahead. But will I remember when I get there. Remind me!!

Hugh, you really have to be trusting and/or careful with that approach. I swear my wife fabricates all kinds of things that I said, did, or promised to do. (At least I think that's what happens...!?! )
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