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Old 06-07-2015, 10:12 AM
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No it hasn't looked like this before at all and it does just look crappy with lots of powder in the bags. Given that poor shape the bags were in (tears, rips, etc.) I thought it could be someone or something had been tossing these bags around A LOT to cause that kind of damage to bags and nuggets perhaps?
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:52 AM
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Well, how long ago did you get it? You said you used Spectrum premium nuggets and they have been discontinued to make way for the super improved Spectrum 2.0 that is just so remarkably like Spruce Pine 87 that it's positively eerie.

Maybe you got the last bags. True collectors items.
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Old 06-07-2015, 11:32 AM
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I received the pallet just about 10 days ago from OCR. But now that you mention it the date of production on the bags is from 2014! Must have been pulling dreg bags out from under somewhere!
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Old 06-07-2015, 11:55 AM
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When premium was announced as discontinued, given that it was being replaced with the 2.0, Spectrum was not willing to let people trade in their premium- which had an expansion of 97.5 for the red hot amazing 2.0. They wanted people to run out of premium and to then start buying the new stuff.

Your bags sound pretty, really absolutely...old. I'd bet they've finally run out.

Consumers Reports has a little section each month called "Selling it". The Hopi religion has an interesting tale of a young Indian taking in a rattlesnake that was injured which goes on to bite him and he dies. The snake makes the comment to the dying man that "You knew I was a rattlesnake when you took me in. This is what rattlesnakes do."

All too true.
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Old 06-07-2015, 05:41 PM
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As I did in another thread, I invite you all back to a thread from 2012 on this subject:

http://talk.craftweb.com/showthread.php?t=9100
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Old 06-08-2015, 12:05 AM
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Been way busy lately, wanted to post this earlier, this may get me flamed but as a new shop owner Phil at OCR has been great to us. We have talked about the glass issues and some operational issues we had at our shop and he hooked us up with the folks at spectrum. He has been very stand up to us and continues to do so. When through our own inexperience we over look something he goes out of his way to help us out.
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Old 06-08-2015, 08:08 AM
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Which is as it should be with all vendors, controversy or not.
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:33 AM
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My posting says I have to wait for moderation? Did I break something?
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Old 06-08-2015, 12:37 PM
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Phil is being very helpful in our situation.
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Old 06-12-2015, 12:16 PM
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We received our new glass shipment on Wednesday. Date 5/24/15 Lot E. Phil said Lot E is the new furnace. My partner can't come and move it into our store room until tomorrow so I haven't look at it - and since we shut down in 2 weeks I have already inspected, cleaned to charge my last of the old glass I'm gonna do for the season. Already 115 degrees in the studio by mid afternoon and the tools get to hot to pick up. I do love where our studio is located http://www.cedarcreekgallery.com but our building does have its challenges.
I'm putting this bad cullet situation behind me and hope I never have to deal with this again. Yes I wish I could melt my own glass but that isn't going to happen. As I get to the bottom of our pot that were are changing this summer I may go find a green willow pole and do what Carder did to introduce more bubbles - just for fun.
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* new furnace


That says it all.
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Old 06-12-2015, 01:18 PM
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That says it all.
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Built on a suddenly accelerated schedule.

I just don't think studios have to be that hot. I think that putting insulating materials on your hood is essential. Otherwise it's just a giant radiator. Air changes should be accommodated at about once a minute or more. I genuinely believe that it's doable. My Santa Fe shop was one degree warmer than outdoors and my NH shop does well too.

Keeping your body cool can be done with big drums of cool water and wet towels and fans. Being too hot is a state of mind in my opinion.
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:48 AM
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It's pushing 78f here. When it gets to 80f I'll start filling the water drums and get some wet towels.

Pete, what do you do with the water drums & wet towels? Place them in front of the incoming air?
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I stick my head in the drums and I wear a wet towel around my shoulders. I sometimes change it two, even three times during a piece. It's very high tech.
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:24 PM
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That sounds effective! LOL

I think my head will fit in a regular 5 gallon bucket.
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I stick my head in the drums and I wear a wet towel around my shoulders. I sometimes change it two, even three times during a piece. It's very high tech.
That's a relief! I thought you were waterboarding yourself.
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The drum keeps the water pretty cool. I suppose the five gallon one would take ice, a plus. As to waterboarding, I already confessed to everything I know years back.

Back in the days, John Bingham keep a water barrel and a pipe cooler. The shop in Louisville CO was right next to an ice house, so he got a fifty lb block for each container each day.

A 35 degree blowpipe is a surprise.
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Spruce goose is loose Bugler is kind of chewy
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It appears that we are about to go down the road of speculation regarding the origins of Bugler tobacco. Floor sweepings anyone?

I talked to someone yesterday who despite being aware of the current issues with unrequested inclusions in System96 cullet , was still ready to buy it. It didn't matter to the individual if it had stones or not. It was really easy. A new low for Studio Glass. It can be called "Ceramic Aventurine".
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I buy organic American spirit it last 10 times longer then the bugle. Reminds me of your trash can saying. Spectrum like spruce pine erie yes pete coming from you it does sound erie. Either way Bugler or American spirit I'm still smoking the garbage. American Indians used it as spirtual piece pipe Mayne they wanted us hooked to kill us off and reclamation their land. Who knows spooky the American spirt does taste like spruce goose.
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I was thinking of putting a compressor and garbage bag in front of my old vw beetle
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Old 08-11-2015, 08:21 AM
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You got to know when to hold em know when to fold em know when to walk away no when to run you gotta count your money when your sitting at the table oh isn't life so fun.
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What's the big idea, anyway?

Hello All,

I've been trying to help a buddy (mostly just listening and trying to wrap my head around this cullet situation) "melt" 2.0. He has an older WD day tank, 500#, gas fired.

My questions are:
What exactly is one trying to do with this stuff to help it along to fine out. Is that the big idea? I mean, I assume we are not trying to cook the glass, right? Rather load it and fine it out? If that's the case, should one know where Spectrum leaves off in the cycle? And if we know that, say it's getting made into pillows at X temp, are we trying to pick up where they leave off?

I'd also like to hear or know what this cullet looks like compared to other cullets in the past, such as Fenton, or older versions no longer available. Was that glass fully fined out and essentially just recycle? To state the obvious, the pillows are not clear/ fined out have seeds amongst other anomalies.

Also curious, do we know what (if anything) Spectrum adds to the glass knowing that it will be loaded and fired at the recommended temperature for melting, 2250 I believe, and if you choose to melt hotter, or cooler, what would the advantage or disadvantage be? I understand some may load cooler due to costs, but I'm speaking to temperatures that would be advantageous to fine out.



I'm sure that's enough to chew on for now, hope I'm being clear.

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Old 11-21-2015, 05:56 AM
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Supposedly, 2175, not 2250. At those temps you should need to flip the antimony valence by squeezing. If you start with what appears to be cloudy glass,maybe you have cloudy glass.

I have a pretty low opinion of effort free glass.
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Old 11-21-2015, 09:41 AM
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I melt at 2150, one bag each hour or until flat, hold six hours, drop to 1950 squeeze one hour, up to 2000 hold until morning....working temp = 2050
I do this for 150-200lbs....it will recover slower with a #500 melt
The glass is the same as Spruce Pine, it is softer than Fenton.
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Supposedly, 2175, not 2250. At those temps you should need to flip the antimony valence by squeezing. If you start with what appears to be cloudy glass,maybe you have cloudy glass.

I have a pretty low opinion of effort free glass.
I hear that.
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