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Old 02-27-2021, 06:23 PM
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If you do ever go into a factory setting after being a studio glass worker (not that I recommend it) you'll learn really fast how differently things are done. Consumables are eaten at a much faster pace. Having a pot or tank last is not the highest priority. Getting the product right is the main concern, and sometimes that means cranking stuff to 11 to get the desired results. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet, and some omelets require more breakage.

I've heard a lot of people that seem to not be able to wrap their heads around the physics of a belt lehr. Yes, you can make glass and properly anneal it in as little as 1-2 hours.
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Old 02-28-2021, 02:09 PM
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Yes, you can make glass and properly anneal it in as little as 1-2 hours.
*** yeah, thin enough, yes. Great quality, not so much I recall how sweet it was to cut well annealed sheet glass compared to the fast annealed stuff. Just no comparison. It's true of sawing stuff as well. It just depends on how much it matters if its well annealed. Schott sold, and I think still sells coarse annealed and fine annealed glass.
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Just bothers me a bit when newbies poke thier heads in and want instant gratifikation
Or suggest thinga without reading the threads
Careful, my covid 19 isolation is making me mean
People had suggestions, i did my research and bought what I think is best for my situation. Not sure why me not replying, posting pictures or explain my buildings fire code makes to you me not want the answer or just after instant gratification. Yes I usually just have questions and don't chat much. I don't like being online. I actually signed in to ask if there were glass people I could PAY to answer questions in a call. The main person I use to ask questions passed away last year.
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The main person I use to ask questions passed away last year.
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Old 03-04-2021, 10:11 AM
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*** yeah, thin enough, yes. Great quality, not so much I recall how sweet it was to cut well annealed sheet glass compared to the fast annealed stuff. Just no comparison. It's true of sawing stuff as well. It just depends on how much it matters if its well annealed. Schott sold, and I think still sells coarse annealed and fine annealed glass.
That's interesting. I actually have relatively little experience cutting glass. I've mainly cut sheet glass to get it to approximate dimensions in order to cold work later. I know precise cutting for stained glass is not as simple as skilled craftspeople make it look.
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For a while, way back when, I was making sheet glass by the muff process just to see if I could do it. I remember Kathy Bunnell being amazed at how easily she could cut a sheet with sweeping curves, back and forth in a single pass just pinching the sheet.

Merry go round it wasn't.

This can be a genuine issue if you are making ring tests for expansion. A well annealed ring works far better than a fast crash piece and most of the factory ring tests are done fast.
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People had suggestions, i did my research and bought what I think is best for my situation. Not sure why me not replying, posting pictures or explain my buildings fire code makes to you me not want the answer or just after instant gratification. Yes I usually just have questions and don't chat much. I don't like being online. I actually signed in to ask if there were glass people I could PAY to answer questions in a call. The main person I use to ask questions passed away last year.
Oh you solved it then with your research but you dont care to share the result? But you asked the question?
You just confirm exactly my critasism of people like you- youíre answer says it all
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:18 PM
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:15 PM
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People had suggestions, i did my research and bought what I think is best for my situation. Not sure why me not replying, posting pictures or explain my buildings fire code makes to you me not want the answer or just after instant gratification. Yes I usually just have questions and don't chat much. I don't like being online. I actually signed in to ask if there were glass people I could PAY to answer questions in a call. The main person I use to ask questions passed away last year.
A simple "thank you", to this board, for giving you, our free time and with years of experience, with a quick and honest opinion, to help you fix, your problem. Would be nice. End results and information sharing, would be a added bonus.

"Your Welcome" from Charles

PS You could always pay me, I can answer all you questions and fix all your problems.
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Oh you solved it then with your research but you dont care to share the result? But you asked the question?
You just confirm exactly my critasism of people like you- youíre answer says it all
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Old 03-06-2021, 11:19 AM
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Over the 20 some years that I have had the privilege of running Craftweb with the free and easy hand of Tink along side, we've encountered a number of personality types many of which were predictable from their first posts. With 100 percent accuracy, I've been able to predict who was going to be trouble and the great part is how few of them there are. Most have been dispatched. A few were just disagreeable, wanting to flame, the ones I really didn't have tolerance for were the snake oil salesmen. Requiring real names has been a good thing.

Some want to participate in an active discussion, many don't The bulk of them just lurk without joining and they can't post if they don't join. I make everyone use their real name and I do take the time with each application to see if the user is actually a glass person.

We had to change our format some years back when we had one troubled soul who is no longer with us, posting links which turned out to go to porn sites, a serious issue if you happened to log in from your workplace. That decision to protect the members from others led to a different way of knowing who is doing what. Currently Tink and I can see what everyone is in fact looking at . There are about 1000 members and more like 4000 lurkers. The bulk never say a lot but the attendance on the site is always remarkable sitting at between 175 to 375 people using the site at the time. Part of my software lets me see who is looking at what in either category. Lurkers can't see certain boards but they can utilize the archives and really do. The archives are really an amazing outgrowth that occurred unintentionally. Lurkers are all over them. The regular members don't use them that frequently, but jeez, the lurkers... It's not like I go to the library much but it's great to have one.

I view that as an enormous unintentional success having created a go to site to find methodology in making stuff. It does not bother me at all that those folks are not contributing to the overall knowledge accrued here. The trick coming up is how to retain the information when we inevitably transfer control of the site from Tink to me and then what happens when I decide to step down. That's still well off in the future or unless I become ill.

It was reassuring to me to see the attempt to throw shade on me at Reddit failed to garner any real support. There's folks that can't stand me and I'm OK with that. I try to be a straight shooter and keep applying humor almost all the time.

Jesse's attitude doesn't bug me at all. Many folks come looking for something, find it and they're gone. Sometimes the site is really quiet and while that concerned me in the first two years, now, it's fine. This last COVID ridden time has been really difficult for small studios to try to hang onto their visions. My shop is fairly dead. I haven't made anything substantive in over a year. I'm in no hurry. I'm very lucky that can work for me. We currently are working with Shanghai again.

The boards longer term members have the latitude to complain about participation and I'm fine with that. People are just so weird that it's amazing to watch and see what they do. The stuff they look at in the archives is remarkable as well. But the important part is how much they are looking. It has been an important place to learn. The reason I left Brad's board was that he wanted to charge the users a fee for it. I didn't want that. I suggested charging for ads as does the warm board. I've never asked Tink for a thing. At one point she wanted to run ads and I objected. She did not do it and she has paid for the entire thing herself over the 20 years. Neve complained. She's enormously proud of it. So Once tink and I talked about making this thing run properly, he was explosively angry. Those things happen.

For those of you that do, thanks for participating. I enjoy it. You've all taught me a lot. At this moment, 10 of you as members are logged in and 149 lurkers are in the archives. Not bad.
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:32 PM
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How many of those lurkers are from Europe or the US?
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Old 03-06-2021, 05:21 PM
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Jesse's hole

Hey Jesse Is this your glory hole? Is it orientated correctly? Is that the pipe that is burning up? I got it from your website. Like I said, wrong spot and too deep too boot. Bad design from the get go. I expect better from someone who comes from such a talented glass family. What store did you buy it from?
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The lttle punk has reaseached it himself- he doesent need help, he says- he doesent want any help after all. I wonder where he got help? Idiot doesent say how he solved it
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And Jesse sure as hell bothers me
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Very High in Europeans and not just a few from Asia. I can see all the IP's and exactly what they have been viewing. I think of it as a free library, something like Wikipedia. Some add to the knowledge base, some don't. Behaving badly gets you bounced.
What I don't want is self promotion via photos and announcements. That keeps the viewership in America down nicely. I'm not trying to make money off of it at all. Or, if I am , I'm failing miserably.

I remember some pretty dumb stuff. At Glassies, one guy trying to charge someone a fee for telling them that Stannous Chloride is what irridizes glass. That's offensive.
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Whats this about glass family?
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Look to yourself for that answer. Why did you have Franklin into your shop? You've suggested That another person come to visit who is moving from Maui. It is a big family, warts and all. Some have to live in the attic. Some scream at the kids to get off the lawn. They all make glass.
As to Jesse, What goes around comes around. He'll run into a far deafer ear on his next outing I suspect.
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PS You could always pay me, I can answer all you questions and fix all your problems.
Question for you is: Can you afforded me?
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Whats this about glass family?
This is Jesse's family. http://www.bogenriefstudios.com/
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I like our family better. Thanks Charles.
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Iím not sure why all of you are so grumpy about this.
If you give to be thanked , you give for the wrong reason in my opinion.
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It's not all Eben, it's a point of view, to be recognized. I think I've said what I have to say about the purpose here. After 20 years, I'm pretty cool with it.
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