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Old 06-09-2020, 09:03 AM
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advice on a specific cullet and batch mixture

I have a bag and a half of Spuce Pine 87 ts.
I have three five gallon buckets of clear cull from Spectrum 2.0 nuggets.
I am thinking of doing a blended melt to rid the shop of both.
Will the churn of the batch homogenize the mix?
Can I get away with this for one melt?
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Old 06-09-2020, 09:37 AM
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Take the number of pounds of glass times 1.30$ is saving that much worth the trouble of trying to mix incompatible glasses in to a consistent mix? If not just get rid of it. One place you can get rid of clear cullet (if it is the original spectrum nuggets) is a florist, sometimes they will use washed clear cullet in arrangements, I have one that gets if from us, good way to get rid of the old stuff we couldn't use.
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Old 06-09-2020, 12:56 PM
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Hi Art,
thanks for responding.

1) it's not 2.0 nuggets, it is cullet from nuggets
2) The Spruce Pine is going to be wasted if not used in this manner
3) I've read (I believe on this site) that the 2.0 nuggets are the same
formulation as the S.P. 87


*I'm looking to clean up 2 messes at once without the S.P hitting the landfill.

I don't know what is going into the furnace next. It will not be batch.
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Old 06-09-2020, 01:57 PM
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Peter- If the Spectrum cullet is fairly finely fritted and the SP87 batch is evenly mixed with it, then you should have no problems with getting a reasonably homogeneous melt. If in doubt, give the glass at melt temp a good bubbling with a trusty Idaho potato.
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Old 06-09-2020, 06:58 PM
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Peter- If the Spectrum cullet is fairly finely fritted and the SP87 batch is evenly mixed with it, then you should have no problems with getting a reasonably homogeneous melt. If in doubt, give the glass at melt temp a good bubbling with a trusty Idaho potato.
Hi John,
thanks for responding.
I've only tried the potato trick a couple times with dubious results. Red p'tatos don"t work? Idaho. Baked, mashed or fried? Does the sour cream matter?
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:38 AM
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Hi John,
thanks for responding.
I've only tried the potato trick a couple times with dubious results. Red p'tatos don"t work? Idaho. Baked, mashed or fried? Does the sour cream matter?
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I'm with John on this one. The Spectrum 2.0 is really Sp87 as a purloined formula any ways.

The Idaho potato is really the legume of choice, but don't just try to ram the punty ( your very least favorite punty mind you) through it. If you do, it's likely to split. Drill it first and then run the rod through. Get the floor as well and work it around the pot for about 30 seconds. Do it really hot. Wear a facemask. Sometimes it comes out the door. It should be done when the melt is totally complete.
It can be really dangerous to do with compressed air but it does work. The Germans just used to take a chunk of Arsenic in a wet rag and jam it to the bottom. Don't do that.
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Old 06-10-2020, 04:57 PM
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Perhaps I can get a German to do it for me? Ich bin nicht Deutsch und ich kann nicht Deutsch sprechen.
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Old 06-10-2020, 04:59 PM
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Pete,
Take a peek at my post in the thread on jacks. Shorty!
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:21 PM
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Pete,
Take a peek at my post in the thread on jacks. Shorty!
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I saw it. Shorty and I were like twins separated at birth. He really pushed so hard for me to come design at Blenko and I could not handle the move and concept. At the time, I had the Santa Fe County Fire Dept in my hands. What a great friend to have in life.

I still miss the jacks.
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Perhaps I can get a German to do it for me? Ich bin nicht Deutsch und ich kann nicht Deutsch sprechen.
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Old 06-11-2020, 01:45 PM
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Peter - where is your shop in Akron? I also live in the kron...
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Old 06-12-2020, 01:08 PM
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Peter - where is your shop in Akron? I also live in the kron...
No,
I grew up in Hudson, went to Kent, but left Ohio in '80 (born '55). if you are of a similar vintage we may have overlapping friends/stories.
We (Chris [Christine] Chapman) and I live in rural NY outside of Ithaca/Watkins Glen. We have a shop here but have also built and operated shops at 4 Renaissance Festivals. Upstate NY, NYC area, Texas, Arizona. Plus one sales only space in Maryland.
We never used to tell our gallery connections that the work was made at the festivals until we had 3 or 4 years in the gallery. The perception of "carnival" glass can be hard to overcome. But the work is the work is the work; it doesn't matter where it is made or what you are wearing.
I am diverging here but... I feel like my time as a demonstrator at the festivals elevated the perception and knowledge of glass to a much greater extent than when teaching at RIT... and, I feel (know) that demonstrators are often casually dismissed. It is not a big resume checkmark in the capital A Art world.
forgive my divergence.
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Ahh..ok. Your profile says you are from Akron. That's why I asked.
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I live in rural NY outside of Ithaca/Watkins Glen
I graduated IC in '73 and stayed in Ithaca all that summer. I must have interviewed at every business in Tompkins County trying to find a job that would keep me there. Anything in Corning was a dead-end for anyone without skills. Couldn't find even part-time work ("Hey kid, you know there are students who actually live here who need summer jobs." Hard to argue with that.)

So, my friends and I pretty much lazed about and went to Summer Jam.
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Look backwards at "the glass Gaffers of New Jersey" Adelle Pepper.

See what they endured.
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I am diverging here but... I feel like my time as a demonstrator at the festivals elevated the perception and knowledge of glass to a much greater extent than when teaching at RIT... and, I feel (know) that demonstrators are often casually dismissed. It is not a big resume checkmark in the capital A Art world.
forgive my divergence.
Not hard to believe at all Peter. The wonder and spark in the eyes of the uninitiated bares that out.
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Old 06-13-2020, 06:23 AM
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I remember one kid who was totally goggle eyed at a live demo way back in time. He said to his dad " Is that really how they make glass?

His dad replied, "No Son, they don't make glass anymore."

You can't make this stuff up.
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We just sold out of a Renaissance Festival outside of Phoenix. The two 30ish men who bought it watched us blow as children. In the ninth grade one asked the other, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" The second replied "Either a Falconer or a Glassblower." They took their first glass "class" the next day. One works for Texas Instruments and the other is a high school teacher but they have now jumped into our river. We did not know that we had sparked them until after they bought us out. How cool is that! They are living the dream,
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