CraftWEB Hot Glass Talk  

Go Back   CraftWEB Hot Glass Talk > Hot Glass > General Hot Glass Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #151  
Old 05-06-2019, 04:51 PM
tomak baksik tomak baksik is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: southfield mi
Posts: 2
tomak baksik is on a distinguished road
attached .
Attached Images
File Type: jpg glasma.jpg (30.8 KB, 70 views)
Reply With Quote
  #152  
Old 05-06-2019, 06:32 PM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 21,242
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
candidly, those are terrible numbers. Silica less than 65%? Potassium, less than 20%? One would hope so on one and expect bad results with the other. It doesn't even consider the other profoundly vague percent in that screen shot.

It doesn't appear to note which glass it is.
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #153  
Old 05-07-2019, 05:32 PM
John Riepma John Riepma is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Grand Haven, MI
Posts: 497
John Riepma is on a distinguished road
But if they're all at or near the max it shows that they are giving the customer 125%

Or less.

This must be for those occasions when just giving less than 110% is no longer enough.

Which is what we've all grown used to.
Reply With Quote
  #154  
Old 05-10-2019, 04:34 PM
Tom Fuhrman Tom Fuhrman is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: hills of Tennessee
Posts: 1,402
Tom Fuhrman is on a distinguished road
It appears that Booma is affiliated or owned by Bohemia Machine. If that is the case, Bohemia Machine has had a lot of experience making equipment for the glass industry including automatic cutting machines. They have made equipment for many glass factories. If this is in fact true, I suspect that they can be capable of producing some decent cullet if they actually find it to be a profitable venture.
It appears they may have some financial interests from Otakar Motka who has a large group of companies he owns including the producer of Simax borosilicate glass that according to their website has the capability to melt 200 tons per day. It will b e interesting to see how this all develops.
Reply With Quote
  #155  
Old 05-10-2019, 05:22 PM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 21,242
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
Thanks Tom, that's very helpful. I think that your observation about "If they can make money at it" to be the key. In my mind, knowing the cost of shipping the Cristallica to N.Carolina and the subsequent costs distributing, $1.41 has me substantially less than impressed. I see money being churned here. I do think that a battle for dominance will happen in this first year. So far, this is the apparent nice goop on the block. It may be the case that Oceanside just sticks to the fusers. Who do I see screwed? Cristallica. If these guys are smart, they'll move on the european market as well.

As to the Boro, I don't find it relevant at this point. While Boro is being made, the daily demand for boro cullet is pretty small. Abe has Gaffer making some boro cullet for them. The other small makers aren't going to benefit from any of that.

That's as I see it today. Now we need the jury to report back on the caustic nature of Charlie's goop. I hope it works. This has certainly been a Keystone Cops kind of approach.
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #156  
Old 05-10-2019, 09:26 PM
Sky Campbell's Avatar
Sky Campbell Sky Campbell is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 956
Sky Campbell is on a distinguished road
Not that it's really relevant but when they draw borosilicate tubing for scientific use the tolerances are small. They cull a tremendous amount of out of tolence glass that is either remelted or sold on the secondary market for cheap. I'm going to guess gaffer is the only ones making borosilicate cullet intentionally.
Reply With Quote
  #157  
Old 07-03-2019, 02:50 PM
Dennis Walker Dennis Walker is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Springfield, OH
Posts: 3
Dennis Walker is on a distinguished road
Olympic taking orders for Oceanside Nuggets

Just got a email from Olympic announcing Ocean Side Nuggets 55# bags 40 to a pallet in stock and ready so ship from Seattle. $1.50 a lb before shipping.
Reply With Quote
  #158  
Old 07-03-2019, 02:57 PM
Shawn Everette Shawn Everette is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 286
Shawn Everette is on a distinguished road
Ouch, that's more than the bomma.
Reply With Quote
  #159  
Old 07-03-2019, 05:48 PM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 21,242
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
Keep fantasizing. It really has to hit $1.65 before money is made by the producers. Look at raw cost. Look at process costs. Look at shipping. look at distributor costs.
The only way prices stay down at all is if the distributor calculates tha selling under costs makes the distributor sell ancillary stuff at a better profit. That's been a model in the Northwest for years.

Where people have to step back is to look at how many dollars are getting tied up in a single piece. The higher price for the finished piece, the less it matters. On little stuff, it's a major problem.
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #160  
Old 07-07-2019, 10:50 AM
Shawn Everette Shawn Everette is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 286
Shawn Everette is on a distinguished road
I can't understand why spectrum got into the cullet game if they were't making any money. Ancillary wise they were never a major player in the hot color game. If there is any kind of issue with the new no boric oceanside and the general color manufacturers, then it is bound to be dead in the water.
Reply With Quote
  #161  
Old 07-07-2019, 12:07 PM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 21,242
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
Spectrum was owned in part by Dale's cousin. It had made sheet glass for windows in uninspired colors for a long time and that business collapsed in 2008 essentially.

I can't recall when Spectrum started making cullet and it's hard to say what influenced them beyond excess capacity. It could have been Dale encouraging them since prior to that Pilchuck used Northwest Glass as a primary cullet supply and it was dreary as a glass even with boatloads of soda dumped into it. In the final game, the real estate was worth far more than the meager profit it offered and those furnaces are not cheap yet all needed to go.

When I was there, Pilchuck was using about 3,000 lbs a week and that was well before the surge into glass from the '80's. Close shipping was indeed an issue. Being able to drive down to Seattle from Stanwood saved a lot of cash.

It will be interesting to see how the Oceanside does in the market. I don't see what you replace boron with unless it's fluorine or lithium and lithium is a financial rollercoaster. Fluorine, well, it justs eats your tooling.

I expect a lot of shaking out in the next 18 months. If it's fluorine, the kiln crowd will really hate it. Goodbye elements.
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
  #162  
Old 07-07-2019, 04:53 PM
Shawn Everette Shawn Everette is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 286
Shawn Everette is on a distinguished road
Nepotism creates strange bedfellows.

I'm thinking it was the early '10s that they started doing the cullet. I was getting supersacs of the the cutoffs in late '09, and tried the nuggets for casting projects in '10. By mid '13 they transitioned to the 2.0 and everyone went henny penny. Know the last time I was at chuck in '12 they were using Spruce.
Reply With Quote
  #163  
Old 07-07-2019, 06:10 PM
Pete VanderLaan's Avatar
Pete VanderLaan Pete VanderLaan is offline
The Old Gaffer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chocorua New Hampshire
Posts: 21,242
Pete VanderLaan is on a distinguished road
I knew they were using SP87 for some time. I didn't know the timing. It was really slow.
__________________
Where are we going and why am I in this basket?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:23 PM.


All published comments within these message boards are the opinions of its contributor and does not represent
the opinion(s) of the owner(s) of this website. Please see the Terms of Use file for more details.

Books to Help Artists Avoid Online Scams: Top 10 Email Scams | Social Media Scams

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CraftWEB.com. Opportunity Network. 2008. All Rights Reserved.