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Old 07-17-2019, 03:57 PM
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There was a great quote that continued the technique is cheap conversation, wish I could remember. Basically saying technique is a base which helps elevate your voice. Like knowing your alphabet to help you write, or knowing your scales to be a musical artist.
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Old 07-17-2019, 05:05 PM
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I like that. I've always been fond of understanding why the rules are there before you break them.
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Old 07-17-2019, 07:10 PM
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Think about Banksy. He said " You spend years perfecting your craft and then this happens" (Referring to Dr Freeze). I used to encourage people to get involved in the Arts, I won't do that anymore."

That bit about "perfecting your craft "is really critical. Really. For me part of that is the chemistry and how to apply it getting a result.

Banksy has his own craft but he has a perspective that helps define his vision. That's the art part. Do you really thing goblets help define a vision?
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Old 07-17-2019, 07:13 PM
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PBS is underfunded and Art 21 was never fully appreciated. Although, filming Dale naked was probably not their best idea.
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Seeing it was far worse.
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A lot of that is really legit, but abandoning technique doesn't really do a ton of service.
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I think a great part of what Eisch was trying to do was exactly abandoning technique while in a factory which relied on endless reproduction..
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Old 07-17-2019, 11:28 PM
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On the show they say 'six hours to design and create'. That must have included the prep, coldwork ( which was tactfully ignored) and all around smoke breaks. Most of the work seems like it could get cranked out in an hour or two.
Having the CMOG teams make their final presentation definitely did wonders for the winner.
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:04 AM
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Seeing it was far worse.
The first time I saw that, umm, interview was in a gallery space with my mother present.
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Do you really thin(k) goblets help define a vision?
Personally, no, but skills are a tool, and not knowing how a tool works prevents you from using it.

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Old 07-18-2019, 08:18 AM
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There was a lot left out, but I don't know if they included cold work since some did none. and others obviously spent hours. There was a glue line on one of Alex's pieces that was particularly cringy.

I didn't particularly like how they pretended that they just took a break and everything was ready 30 minutes later.

While I'm sure the cmog crew helped the non winner, he really just needed input from a designer, or someone that does more sculpture. The skills were there, the art school bs was not.
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:27 AM
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With someone like Eisch, you have someone that didn't like the traditional aesthetic and took their own path. Something I find to be significantly more difficult, and not without it's own techniques.

You can still choose to not work in a style, but pretending that it doesn't exist or has no use only limits you, not it's potential.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:24 AM
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Do you really thing goblets help define a vision?
They may, if glass ever finds its Judy Chicago.
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On the show they say 'six hours to design and create'. That must have included the prep, coldwork ( which was tactfully ignored) and all around smoke breaks. Most of the work seems like it could get cranked out in an hour or two.
Having the CMOG teams make their final presentation definitely did wonders for the winner.
If you look at her website, she had done some of her pieces before. She did not go far out of her repertoire. At least some of the others pushed their ideas to adapt their skills to the art school "bullshit" that seemed to be required.
Yeah, the first kid who lost his piece on the final heat could not have taken 6 hours to design and make a footed vase.... He should have had 5 or 6 in the box in that time
Cold working is an "acquired taste". Not many money shots in a very time-consuming process
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Old 07-18-2019, 02:01 PM
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Personally, no, but skills are a tool, and not knowing how a tool works prevents you from using it.
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Well, I agree, it's why I quoted Banksy regarding "learning your craft". When it becomes an end unto itself, I have problems. I have them with people who never step outside their success zone either. I know of a tremendous number or people who haven't made anything substantially different in decades and it was Melamid who ridiculed them with "Making coffee cups for the rest of your life will be terribly boring , but you must do it if you want to be a successful artist. He really had it nailed. When he addressed GAS a number of years back he was touting "The Rubber Band Society"-- "bound by our love of rubber bands." He was making some people fairly uncomfortable in the audience.
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Old 07-18-2019, 03:22 PM
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I often have conversations with my colleagues about the silo's of our studios. People getting so entrenched in the tradition and motion of a studio that they omit the critical thinking needed to make extraordinary things. Blown glass in particular has been so rooted in technique as a measurement for integrity that most of the art world has ignored us because we can't got out of our own way.
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Old 07-19-2019, 07:52 AM
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I go around in circles when I think of Harvey's "Technique is Cheap". If you rely on it as sole source, you get cactus, you get goblets, you get the Calif loop series, as well as Harvey's repetitive lyrics. To his credit, Dale did radically change his work numerous times but then relapsed into remakes of the
blanket cylinders from 1976.

The downside of having your own studio is that it has to get paid for every month. School, theoretically should be a release from those confines to allow exploration. Too often? School is a production shop for the student. Pilchuck used to do that since it needed the money and took on marginal glassmakers. The big kids at the MOMA pay attntion to all of this and are unimpressed. I still think the best piece I've seen in years is the carrion crows with the Chandelier. I continue to find it highly ironic that American glassworkers complain about the Chinese while most of them know the Italian term for every imaginable technique regarding cane.
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They may, if glass ever finds its Judy Chicago.
She actually found it quite a while ago.

http://www.judychicago.com/gallery/glass/gl-artwork/
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I continue to find it highly ironic that American glassworkers complain about the Chinese while most of them know the Italian term for every imaginable technique regarding cane.
Well, you know, white people. We're the only ones allowed to appropriate other cultures.

Did you not get that memo?
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She actually found it quite a while ago.

http://www.judychicago.com/gallery/glass/gl-artwork/

Sadly, that was but a one-time dip in the pond for Chicago. A brilliant one, but not her main focus. I'm thinking more along the lines of someone like Josiah McElheny.

http://www.andrearosengallery.com/ar...celheny/images
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:21 AM
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I would put Josiah in that category. One of the other glass people to be awarded a MacArthur grant.
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It's been a challenge in my new position to get students to think differently about what they are making. Getting them to slow down and figure things out is quite a task given the previous admins venetian preference. Luckily I've found that when you encourage those that have some level of vision and start to make interesting things, others follow suit. Trying to get a group of them to SOFA to see something different, the "I'll never make anything good" depression that follows usually does some good too.
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