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Old 06-18-2019, 10:17 AM
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Crystallica bubbly

I have a new boxes of Crystallica and I was wondering if anyone else was having problems with bubbles or seeds in their newest boxes of crystallica?
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:01 AM
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When did that get it?
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:06 AM
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I just started loading it in my #400 Stadelman. Got it about a month ago from Olympic.
The first melt of #250 was beautiful. 2050 degrees, no ups or downs... Very clear, no seeds, no cords.... I hope that it continues (knock wood)
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:23 AM
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So you're talking about seeds in the nuggets, not the pot? I've had them a little seedy in the old bird poo, but they always fined out easy enough. Real question to me is if they knocked down the boric enough.
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:12 AM
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I got it about 1 month ago i think ??? I cant remember The bubbles are in the top layer and also down deep in the pot. The deeper stuff, thats been a prob for a while. I知 assuming baking soda bubbles might sink and not come up?? But the upper bubbles are a much newer prob
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How old is the pot along with all the other pesky details like how hot you melt, how frequently you charge, what's the crown condition, blah blah blah.
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Old 06-20-2019, 07:25 AM
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The pot I知 using is definitely getting older maybe two years now. Not sure about the crown I値l have to get back to that later today.
And we charge every single day and I used to get perfect melts.
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Old 06-20-2019, 08:02 AM
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A friends last shipment of crystallica was pretty much sweepings of the factory floor. It was full of sand, leaves and what ever else was swept up and dumped into bags.

Totally unacceptable and if you ask me is a sign that the people at crystallica or how ever you spell their name really do not care at all about you, the quality of glass you melt or most importantly, their reputation.
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If I had a pot that was over two years old and I used to melt in it every day and once upon a time got great glass, I might, just might be willing to draw conclusions about process. I change my pots between 70-90 melts. It's sort of like when I wanted to trade in my truck with 203,000 miles on it. The salesman was polite enough to say "Well, you've certainly gotten your use out of it."

Eben is sadly correct about the cullet. It isn't just Cristalica, there are others. It simply comes down to supply and demand , cost and quality. If there's good enough profit in it, there will be sufficient suppliers. If it's a money loser, there won't be but floor sweepings will be available. Keep looking for $1.65 lb plus shipping before the market settles.

I am curious as to why Jordan deleted his thread "Speaking of Cullet".
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Old 06-20-2019, 10:34 AM
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If I had a pot that was over two years old and I used to melt in it every day and once upon a time got great glass, I might, just might be willing to draw conclusions about process. I change my pots between 70-90 melts. It's sort of like when I wanted to trade in my truck with 203,000 miles on it. The salesman was polite enough to say "Well, you've certainly gotten your use out of it."

Eben is sadly correct about the cullet. It isn't just Cristalica, there are others. It simply comes down to supply and demand , cost and quality. If there's good enough profit in it, there will be sufficient suppliers. If it's a money loser, there won't be but floor sweepings will be available. Keep looking for $1.65 lb plus shipping before the market settles.

I am curious as to why Jordan deleted his thread "Speaking of Cullet".
Wouldn稚 you blame the new batch of glass since it was the first melt with it? I would. Occams Razor and all......
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A friends last shipment of crystallica was pretty much sweepings of the factory floor. It was full of sand, leaves and what ever else was swept up and dumped into bags.

Totally unacceptable and if you ask me is a sign that the people at crystallica or how ever you spell their name really do not care at all about you, the quality of glass you melt or most importantly, their reputation.
was it boxed or in the blue bag?
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was it boxed or in the blue bag?
I don稚 know. Does it matter? They put their name on it.
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One of the great difficulties I had with Cristalica ( It's name!) was putting one load on top of another. It was at its worst with different glasses but this is bubbling on top, and on the bottom. I have to wonder why? It almost always seems inevitable that when things go south there are three contributing factors to the incident to create the perfect storm.

The German word for Crystal is Kristal.
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Blue bag seems to be only the patty style the box can be either the patty style or bird dropping style. I have seen the frothing with the bird dropping style but not the patty style
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I知 cranking up the heat and it looks much better. I thought it was hot and i didnt realize someone else was turning it down on me at night.
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Wouldn稚 you blame the new batch of glass since it was the first melt with it? I would. Occams Razor and all......
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Then again,as Larry Bell once said, "A good craftsman never blames his tools. He blames his assistant. "
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I知 cranking up the heat and it looks much better. I thought it was hot and i didnt realize someone else was turning it down on me at night.
Mike, what temp are you melting the Cristallica? are you doing a squeeze? Did your bubbles go away?
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:25 PM
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I知 sorry i got in a different direction. I fixed the problem by raising the temp.
But i also find a layer of bubble deep down for some reason
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How long between charges, and what's the cycle? If you're constantly getting deep bubbles it sounds like you might be charging too fast. I've been on a variety of cullets the past 7 years, and have found that 1.5 hours between charges at gathering temp makes a fairly clean glass. Little seedy the next day, but they're small enough the bubbles tend to vanish. My situation is going to be different in that I can take the time to charge that most can't.
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I think Shawn is on it. Your earlier problem was not being hot enough. By charging too fast, and potentially never really allowing that lower part of the melt to get hot enough for long enough will seem like the treatment you earlier used which did not work. I had a lot of trouble with the Cristalica when I was doing the beta evaluations for Spruce Pine. I tried lots of stuff. Getting rid of it worked best.
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I think Shawn is on it. Your earlier problem was not being hot enough. By charging too fast, and potentially never really allowing that lower part of the melt to get hot enough for long enough will seem like the treatment you earlier used which did not work. I had a lot of trouble with the Cristalica when I was doing the beta evaluations for Spruce Pine. I tried lots of stuff. Getting rid of it worked best.
Pete, ever wonder if some of the posts here turn up in porn searches? Especially since some of the names for cullet could also be those of strippers.
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Old 08-16-2019, 05:22 PM
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As a "pot" supplier, I'm aware.
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Haha. You all got me in trouble in the early days. My wife wanted to know what kind of weirdos were advising me to paddle my bottom. Then Tom showed up with a paddle in his hand.
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...was pretty much sweepings of the factory floor. It was full of sand, leaves and what ever else was swept up and dumped into bags.
Well, the leaves will just burn up, and hey, there's sand in it anyway. ッ\_(ツ)_/ッ

I may start another thread for people to share what the most unusual objects are they've found in a batch/cullet bag. I think the shotgun hulls from SP are so North Carolina.
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I just had a flat out terrible time trying to get the stuff to fine which should not be a problem. I did think that putting one foreign glass on top of another was a potential problem but I think I ran every kind of schedule I could imagine to do it overnight and nothing worked as well as my clear or SP87 or Spectrum cullet for that matter.
The stuff Eben mentions regarding junk in the bags was not an issue in the 1000 lbs I had. It was clean, bright, nothing one could see to cause issue. I just couldn't fine it out. It seemed so promising.

As we go on, the issues which caused every single attempt at supplying cullet will come into play. At one point Harvey suggested to me that Schott could have excess stock as a secondary product but not as a primary one. In retrospect I see what he meant.

As long as a major melt operation has excess capacity, they can sell off cullet BUT if their primary demand kicks back in, the cullet was going to get sidelined. I don't see that circumstance changing until cullet hits $1.75 lb at which point it can stop being a secondary product. Right now? Bomma is $1.41 and costs .12 to ship. Charlie is OK with his price but I don't think it can stay that way. It needs to be $1.75 based on the materials, the melt, the processing, the shipping and the distribution and final shipping. That's a lot of dixi straws in the well. Don't get complacent. It can't last. Every cullet maker to date has gone out of business.
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